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  • ricko1966
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    I do facebook never!!! The forumn sone changes took place layout, notification etc. and it just wasn't the same. When I get notification in my inbox, something has happened on a subscribed post I click on it and poof! Im in the forumn. If your ever in kansas Id love to grab a drink with you. The only reason I brought up the VW rear brakes is someone was looking for something plentiful and easy and the VW stuff is so plentiful and so close to bolt on as is. I don't think bigger brakes are needed ny green car has Rio/aspire my next build won't good pads good shoes and properly operating stock brakes are just fine. Everyone have an awesome day. If anyone has a tip about how to get more notification as to things happening on the forumn, post it here because this will hit my in box.

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  • Rick the Quick
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    Hey ricko, good to see you are still on the forum. Are you a face book never, like me? With the exception of looking cool do we really need anymore braking on the rear axle of our Festivas? There's just not enough weight (in my opinion) to justify anything larger than what the factory put on. I converted one of my cars to Aspire hubs axles and brakes and did it mostly because I was wanting to get away from the 113 mm lug spacing. The extra benefit of larger brakes is probably not necessary unless pulling a trailer or racing. I will admit the bigger brakes look more impressive (to me at least) but I have found that the stock brakes do a decent job of slowing the car down although after driving a New Beetle I realize that they do require a lot of muscle at the brake pedal. Just like turning the steering wheel while standing still. The day I say I can't do it's over for me. I'm getting old and maybe an old Buick Road Master really is a good car for me. You ever look at those Buick drivers as you blast by them? No thanks, I will keep on driving my Festivas with manual transmissions, manual steering and weak power assist on the brakes. Sorry for getting off subject. Back to the rear discs, After years of driving my cars with shabby bodies and peeling paint I have decided to clean them up, add a/c to the B6ME car and in pretty much make them look respectable. Make them look like real cars (whatever that is). The one thing Festivas lack are rear brakes that look like they belong on a car. The stock rear brakes look like they came off a golf cart. I polished my 5 spoke aluminum 14" Capri wheels of unknown manufacturer and fitted a nice new set of !85/60/14 Federals and they really brought the aesthetics up a couple levels. The only thing holding back the desired look are the toy like brake drums. Vw disc conversion would look slick and maybe I wouldn't even hook up the brake lines. They would be strictly eye candy. Or maybe more like putting lipstick on a pig. But seriously, thanks for sharing the tip. Whenever I get on here and see that you have posted something I take the time to read it. You never fail to impress me with your knowledge of how things work and how to get 'er done by working smart, not working hard. If I'm ever driving through Kansas maybe we can go grab a cold one. One thing I do promise : face book never, not unless I wanna get zucked.....LoL.

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  • ricko1966
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    Okay now that I am not driving, rabbit/golf uses a rear beam similar to festiva. I was serious about VWs long before I owned a festiva,I ended up needing a right rear spindle for my 88 because I had list 1, but had a spindle off of a golf so I wondered how similar they were,because I was going to use the VW spindle temporarily. They were amazingly close I could have bolted it on with no more trouble than redrilling some of the mounting holes,I would have done it if hadn't found my lost festy spindle. No the cool VW Golf/Jetta/Scirocco had rear disc brake spindles that were the exact same mounting configuration and the caliper mount is part of the spindle. They were a bolt for bolt disc brake swap to non disc brake golf/rabbit/jetta/scirocco. So theoretically using VW rear disc pieces would be a super simple rear disc brake swap.As for Capri front calipers being finicky, my Rio Calipers have been sticky too,so and the VW rear emergency brakes are very delicate.

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  • ricko1966
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    Originally posted by Bert View Post
    Considering that these cars have no real value it is smarter/easier/cheaper to seek out Aspire fixins then it is to contemplate going custom. Few people looking to buy a $500 car could care if the brakes or handling is better than stock. Everything off an Aspire bolts in and on in fairly short order.
    I happen to have an Aspire-swapped car for sale currently plus a complete Aspire swap ready to go. Best offers I'm getting at the moment are all from demolition derby groups. None of the three Festys I have will be worth peanuts or have any decent parts left if these guys get them; which really is a bit of a shame.
    Do you have an aspire rack with hardware to sell?

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  • theastronaut
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    Originally posted by needragr View Post

    Try again.
    Spin it however you like, the Festy rear "BEAM" is not, nor ever will be INDEPENDENT. Independence in these term implies free from any input of any other sprung road wheel.
    Which being connect by said beam, it can NEVER be.
    It's more independent than any "true" independent rear suspension car that has a sway bar. You need to look into who posted the quote you disagree with...


    This is a '91 Capri, with independent suspension. The sway bar transfers much more movement from one wheel to the other than the Festiva beam does.

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  • ricko1966
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    BTW I'd sell you my rio/ aspire brakes if u weren't so far away.Only way I'd do rio/aspire fronts is if you can also find an aspire manual steering rack with hardware.(good luck with that) My rio front brakes are the worst part of my car

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  • ricko1966
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    I am about certain using vw rabbit/jetta/ golf mk1 or m2 rears disc or drum would be easy .I don't know about mk3 or newer and never even looked at trying rabbit golf but I started putting mk1/mk2 on back of my 88.

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  • needragr
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    "noun
    an automotive suspension system in which each wheel is attached to the frame independently, so that a road bump affecting one wheel has no effect on the others."
    Try again.
    Spin it however you like, the Festy rear "BEAM" is not, nor ever will be INDEPENDENT. Independence in these term implies free from any input of any other sprung road wheel.
    Which being connect by said beam, it can NEVER be.
    Last edited by needragr; 10-13-2021, 05:40 PM.

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  • w4rkry
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    Originally posted by needragr View Post
    you need to look up the definition for "independent suspension"
    "Independent suspension is any automobile suspension system that allows each wheel on the same axle to move vertically (i.e. reacting to a bump on the road) independently of the others"

    And that's exactly what the Festiva beam does, if you've ever actually measured it, instead of assuming it must be linked just because it's a beam.

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  • needragr
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    Originally posted by Advancedynamix View Post
    The festiva has the perfect independent rear suspension.
    you need to look up the definition for "independent suspension"

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  • Advancedynamix
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    The festiva has the perfect independent rear suspension, and plenty of rear brake power for just about anything besides pulling a large trailer. Trailing beam is independent, it follows the ground better than a multi link or a-arm and it's light, compact and simple. If you disconnect the rear shock on one side of the rear (car supported on jack stands) and move that side up and down with your hands, you will see that there is very little resistance. That's right, fully independent of the other side. Adapting a heavier and more complicated rear suspension would not be a performance upgrade, unless the car were being used to carry an extremely heavy load or tow a large trailer. Under those circumstances the lateral support of the Capri suspension would be beneficial. All FWD capris have the same basic chassis components. The biggest difference in the N/A and turbo Capri (aside from the turbo system and engine controls)is the transmission and clutch setup and the wing on the back. the xr2 has a boost gauge in the cluster as well. Upgrading to the front Capri Brakes will help much more than the rear, but I advise to use Aspire or possibly rio calipers because the Capri calipers are finicky and tend to stick. The Festiva has very little weight over the rear wheels, especially during braking, so it doesn't need much brake power in the rear. Drums actually work better than disks in circumstances where over heating isn't a problem and they are not submerged in muddy water. I spent 40K miles trying to overheat the rear brakes on my festiva and never succeeded, even at speeds in excess of 140 mph. Coming down a large hill with a trailer may do it though, so if your planning on towing you will want to upgrade. Hope that helps.

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  • crazyrog17
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    I just got under my capri today (bought a '92 Capri btw guys) and noticed it has IRS. Definitely not a turbocharged XR2, I triple checked. Definitely nothing like the Festiva's torsion beam set up. Lots of fabrication for sure!

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  • Team Lightning
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    Not sure about the Capri, but the XR2 has independent rear suspension. The XR2 rear suspension would require a lot of fab work from an install standpoint. It's totally different from a Festiva/ Aspire suspension. With enough money and talent, yes it could be installed in a Festiva.

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  • Gomez
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    Originally posted by scootersteve View Post
    What about the Capri and Capri XR2 rear suspension? Same thing I thought?
    wow!!! 4 year member and finally your first reply. LOL The Capri suspension will work. It has been done BUT it falls into the


    Originally posted by Team Lightning View Post
    LOT of fabrication to install Independent rear suspension or another type rear suspension... category

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  • scootersteve
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    What about the Capri and Capri XR2 rear suspension? Same thing I thought?

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