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  • B6 Exhaust Manifold Mods

    I decided I would start a new thread for the mods that I'm doing on the stock cast iron exhaust manifold for my 1st gen B6. Although I would prefer to have an actual long tube header, I decided to make the most of what I have.

    IMO, the factory B6 manifold is a pretty good design in factory form. The runners are large, relatively long (compared to a B3 unit), smooth flowing and stay seperate all the way until the psudo-collector portion of the manifold. There are, however, a couple issues that I believe really limit the potential of the factory set-up.

    The biggest issue I can see is the pathetic factory downpipe. Although it "looks" good on the outside, it's actually a double wall design that is actually only ~1.5" ID and is crush bent at the 90 degree turn. To make matters worse, the outlet opening on the manifold is ~1.75".......meaning there is an 1/8" wall or shoulder that the exhaust gasses run into immediately after merging. Pure speculation on my part, but it seems to me that this obstruction inhibits the scavaging potential the comparitively long runners could provide. Couple this with the rather small volume of the collector area and the tiny downpipe, and I think we're leaving some power on the table.


    The second issue I see is the casting of the merge section. The runners appear to be paired up correctly (1&4, 2&3) and the outlets of each runner slightly off-set.....so it give the impression that some thought was given to the design with flow in mind. There is, however, a pretty nasty amount of casting flash and (on one side in particular), a pretty obstructive flat wall to inhibit a smooth merge of exhaust gasses (shown in orange circle).



    The first task was to fabricate a new downpipe from 2-1/4" OD (2-1/8" ID) mandrel bent tubing. The larger 2-1/8" ID will provide more volume, allowing the exhaust gasses to merge and more easily manipulate the 90 degree turn. The mandrel bend retains a consistent ID through the turn as well. Based on some calculations I did, the optimum collector diameter for a B6 should be between 2" and 2.125". I chose the larger, specifically because of the 90 degree bend in the pipe and the ported head/FMS cam combo. If I was doing this to a stock B6, I would probably go with 2" ID tubing. Since my brother has all the equipment, skills and free time (he's divorced w/no kids), I gave him the manifold and stock pipe and let him do his thing. He cut the 3-bolt flange off the original 1.5" pipe, drilled the center hole out to 2.25" and welded the flange onto the new larger pipe. He used the manifold and factory downpipe support bracket to get everything in proper position. Here are some pics of the new downpipe, with a sliver of the old 1.5" ID pipe held up to it for comparison.





    The next task will be grinding on the manifold. I plan on re-shaping the merge section (shown in blue in above pic), rounding off sharp corners, removing casting flash and seeing if I can construct somthing that more closely resembles a traditional "fire cone" to improve the merge of gasses in the collector. In the world of tube headers, the cheap ones have 4 individual tubes that just get welded into a clover-leaf shaped collector. The more expensive headers, that are actually engineered for flow, use some type of pointed cone that is installed at the center of the intersection of where the 4 tubes meet. I will also try to increase the opening size of the manifold outlet from 1.75" to around 2". This should help gas merging and increase flow volume as well, and the slight mis-match of a 2" dumping into a 2-1/8" pipe may provide some anti-reversion properties.........at least that's my theory. I'll post more as progress continues. :p
    Brian

    93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
    04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
    62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

    1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
    Not enough time or money for any of them

  • #2
    Cool.
    Going old school...

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    • #3
      Your VE numbers are gonna be through the roof if you keep this up! Keep it comming, I'm really enjoying these threads!
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      • #4
        On expensive collectors such as those made by burns, Reid Washbahn, or many custom header builders, the individual primary tubes have a special cope to create the cone you see in the middle of the collector. The shape of the cope depends on the number of tubes entering the collector and the angle that they enter at. Nowadays, this is all calculated in solidworks, but the old timers can still make a collector by eye faster than an engineer can start the solidworks program.

        Your doing a nice job on that manifold/dp! Should be very noticeable.
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        • #5
          I agree that the old timers are fast, but as a user of Solidworks, I can tell you that it's easy to set a formula and in the same time it takes you to create a header/collector for a I4 you could also have one designed for a V9Billion... etc.
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          • #6
            same thing I did with my B6 manifold, but I didn't go as big on the pipe. I stayed with 2" to keep the velocity up. With the street cam, mild P-n-P and SOHC 16v injectors, it pulls from 1500 to fuel cut at 6250, and breaks tires loose at 3k.
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            • #7
              Cool manifold work!

              Have you considered sheet metal dividers installed in the collector?

              The dividers could be formed in an X pattern, and then welded to a steel 'gasket'. They would make the primaries longer, and you could shape the tapers that stick down into the head pipe.

              This idea came from the old modification they did on small displacement I6 Ford motors back in the sixties. The old I6s had Siamese exhaust ports. They used sheetmetal to improve the flow.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by zoom zoom View Post
                Your VE numbers are gonna be through the roof if you keep this up! Keep it comming, I'm really enjoying these threads!
                I hope your right!
                Originally posted by Advancedynamix View Post
                On expensive collectors such as those made by burns, Reid Washbahn, or many custom header builders, the individual primary tubes have a special cope to create the cone you see in the middle of the collector. The shape of the cope depends on the number of tubes entering the collector and the angle that they enter at. Nowadays, this is all calculated in solidworks, but the old timers can still make a collector by eye faster than an engineer can start the solidworks program.

                Your doing a nice job on that manifold/dp! Should be very noticeable.
                I would certainly qualify as an old-timer in terms of age. There's not a lot I can do with the casting...its pretty thin in spots. But, I think I canmake some improvements.
                Originally posted by FB71 View Post
                same thing I did with my B6 manifold, but I didn't go as big on the pipe. I stayed with 2" to keep the velocity up. With the street cam, mild P-n-P and SOHC 16v injectors, it pulls from 1500 to fuel cut at 6250, and breaks tires loose at 3k.
                I suspect I should have went with 2" as well. Ill probably kill the low end torque and not have the pull of a tube header up top. I guess Ill find out. If it runs like yours, Ill be happy!
                Brian

                93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
                04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
                62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

                1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
                Not enough time or money for any of them

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                • #9
                  The stepped mismatch you referred to is an old trick used by racers and tuners at the head mating surface to keep gasses from reversing into the head when the valve is open and the piston starts back on the intake stroke during overlap.

                  There is a chance it will do something at the header/pipe level, but it's a slim chance, because the overlap "draw volume" wouldn't fill the header volume in most engines.

                  Don't forget to clean up the ports at the head flange, too. Try to gasket match the ports and the head, but leave the stepped entry of at least 1mm into the runner.

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                  • #10
                    running sweet, looking sweet and sounding sweet, you will
                    have to give us a video so we can hear it when done!!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Christ View Post
                      The stepped mismatch you referred to is an old trick used by racers and tuners at the head mating surface to keep gasses from reversing into the head when the valve is open and the piston starts back on the intake stroke during overlap.

                      There is a chance it will do something at the header/pipe level, but it's a slim chance, because the overlap "draw volume" wouldn't fill the header volume in most engines.

                      Don't forget to clean up the ports at the head flange, too. Try to gasket match the ports and the head, but leave the stepped entry of at least 1mm into the runner.
                      Yeah, every head I've ported...I always make sure the head port is matched to the gasket and the opening on the header is slightly larger for anti-reversion. Your probably right about the head pipe being too far down stream. But, it will also help guarantee that I don't get a shoulder obstruction from the pipe being slightly mis-aligned.
                      Brian

                      93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
                      04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
                      62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

                      1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
                      Not enough time or money for any of them

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                      • #12
                        I kinda had the idea that you already knew all that, but I'm sure there are some lurkers reading the thread that didn't.

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                        • #13
                          I do think you're right about the mis-match at the manifold-to-pipe location not offering much in terms of anti-reversion. Who knows...pretty hard to tell what the actual flow is like in the manifold. I've been kicking around the idea of just exactly how I want to shape the manifold discharge. I want to keep the smallest "choke" point as close to the headpipe diameter as possible and the trailing angle as gradual as possible to maintain a venturi effect. The problem is that I don't have a lot of material to work with.
                          Brian

                          93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
                          04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
                          62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

                          1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
                          Not enough time or money for any of them

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                          • #14
                            I think I'd match it to the pipe, honestly, with a very slight mismatch, just enough that out can't make an overlap as, things distort from heat or a mismatch from mounting. Also, if you think you can do it, groove the manifolds flange and put a copper wire in the groove. It'll NEVER leak.

                            To totally prevent a mismatch, weld a small collet to the down pipe that fits inside the manifolds opening. That'll allow you to open the manifolds more without creating a shoulder at the downpipe connection.
                            Last edited by Christ; 08-07-2012, 02:19 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Good idea with the copper wire.

                              We've always just thrown exhaust gaskets away and used the orange high-temp RTV on all header and manifold flanges. Believe it or not, it works great, cheap, lasts forever and rarely leaks......even on tube header flanges. Of course, it won't work in place of the "donut" style ring gaskets........only in lieu of flat gaskets.
                              Brian

                              93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
                              04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
                              62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

                              1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
                              Not enough time or money for any of them

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