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  • B6 and G series factory mount thread a Jawbreaker perspective

    Hey there.. My last thread http://www.fordfestiva.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=51453 dealt with the B6 and E series transmission which I feel is progress for newbs wanting to break into the swaps that don't have a shedful of tools, practical experience with fabrication of new/custom mounts and still want a result leaving even their mothers proud.

    However now, I want to step up and take it even further with the B6 and F/G series transmissions so it will allow all sorts to jump straight in and have the majority of work done in regards to mounting the engine into the bay and have it safely mounted utilizing nothing more than a new passenger mount and not having to do anything to the engine like in the e series swap.

    The mounts I favour for this job (you can check for yourself) is the following mount off eBay.

    The Mitsubishi evo 7,8,9/mivec passenger mount.



    The other mount I have also looked at is this one.

    The 99-03 Mitsubishi Gallant passenger/drivers mount



    My reasons for the two... The first one is clearly due to the shape of the bolt holes and that this places the engine fairly dead on with the chassis bracket.. However I feel that this isn't appropriate for the stock intake as it is virtually butting the firewall already as it sits in the bay.

    The 2nd bracket I see is slightly bent forward, towards the front of the car and closely resembles the position of where an engine would sit in a stock position.


    The only concerns I have is that the holes may need to be drilled out as the front single hole is 12mm and the two rear holes at are 15mm.
    The theory on all this is being the mount is so short means in theory, the mount should pull the B6 and G series combination over enough to mount them in the stock crossmember positions without any major side effects as its pulling the block over and not forcing it forward or backwards.

    The other idea I have for the g series is to upgrade the front transmission mount to something a bit more solid and possibly stronger than the stock front mount.

    The mounts I have in mind would be along the lines of it utilizing the shape of the original mounting bolt pattern.

    The mounts I have in mind are:

    http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?n...d=181159050846 which is the DEA A6670. I also feel the A4646 may also be an option for two reasons..

    One, they utilize the similar bolt pattern of the transmission.

    Two, they accommodate for the dip on the transmission located on the right side of the mounting bolt pattern.

    The other mount as a possible contender is this one:

    http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?n...lID=EBAY-MOTOR .. Not sure what its from but possibly a contender due to bolt hole layout.

    One more is this one.

    2002-2006 Nissan Altima front mount



    The only thing I feel will need to be upgraded after this will be the crossmember brackets and being the rear capri/B6 engine mount never works without modification (however I haven't currently tried without using new mounts) I feel these would be good candidates.

    Lastly but not least, if the rear mount is a fail with the two new mounts, there are other mounts that would be very suitable too for replacement.

    One mount of this type I've considered is this one.



    Nissan maxima 1995-2003 due to the width of the mount and suggestable length.. Clearance of steering rack may be an issue.. However, I'll continue.

    Here is another type with a slight "straight edged" gap that might allow the clearance needed.

    Nissan altima 2002-2006 rear mount.



    These are based on "sight alone" guestimates and haven't been measured at all. I'm fairly certain with some photos and measurements alone in regards to the bolt patterns will prevail with some good results.

    Thanks for taking the time out to read this and I hope with some help from other members that we can yield some awesome results.

    If anyone can take a photo and measurements of the f & g series transmission mount patterns. Also the following measurements will be needed too.

    Top left to top right bolt hole.
    Bottom left to bottom right bolt hole.
    Top left to bottom left bolt hole.
    Bottom left to bottom right bolt hole.
    Depth of dip on the right hand side in comparison to left hand side. (Measure between bolt holes on right side and use a straight edge against a ruler to get depth height).

    If anyone wants to also provide feedback in regards to other mounts, please let us know, and place a few photos and measurements of the mounts.

    I'm also open to constructive criticism too.. So please feel free.

    Sent from the depths of hell.
    Last edited by Pu241; 05-21-2014, 07:14 AM.
    Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
    Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

    Avg Economy:
    Highway - 7.32L/100km
    City - yet to be determined.

  • #2
    I like where this is starting.
    -Bryant

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    • #3
      Yeah I can tell right now they wont work. Look at the mounts I've made they have to tuck in really close and below the trans these all stick out way to far. Side mounts might be close but the trans ones aren't.
      Better Than Nothing Racing

      Way too many cars

      :woc:

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      • #4
        As I said they're all guestimated observations so I haven't confirmed.

        Also, I forgot to mention.. The measurements need to be from the centre of the bolt holes of each of the listed measurements apart from the dipped measurement.

        And 2nd forgotten note: the proposed mounts for upgrading will need 'u brackets' to support the new mounts.

        Shorestiva.. Try using the suggested galant passenger mount and see how far across it comes.

        Sent from the depths of hell.
        Last edited by jawbraeka; 03-03-2014, 11:18 PM.
        Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
        Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

        Avg Economy:
        Highway - 7.32L/100km
        City - yet to be determined.

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        • #5
          "This'll work if it'll fit!"

          No joke. Why don't you try it and post something useful. Oh yea, you don't even know the difference between an int shaft and a cv axle.


          (copied from my FB post because I'm tired of seeing this dumb crap clogging up my FB feed and FF.com)
          ~Nate

          the keeper of a wonderful lil car, Skeeter.

          Current cars:
          91L "Skeeter" 170k, Aspire brakes, G15, BP, Advancedynamics coil overs, etc. My first love.
          1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250 - my gas saver, 60+mpg - 40k
          2004 MotoGuzzi Breva - my "longer range" bike - 17k

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          • #6
            Well I can't see why it won't work.

            Have you tried before?
            Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
            Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

            Avg Economy:
            Highway - 7.32L/100km
            City - yet to be determined.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skeeters_keeper View Post
              "This'll work if it'll fit!"

              No joke. Why don't you try it and post something useful. Oh yea, you don't even know the difference between an int shaft and a cv axle.


              (copied from my FB post because I'm tired of seeing this dumb crap clogging up my FB feed and FF.com)
              Quoted for truth.

              Originally posted by jawbraeka View Post
              Well I can't see why it won't work.

              Have you tried before?
              Have you tried it before? I'm sorry to be a ahole about this but this is getting really annoying. You have a festiva and a g series laying around instead of staring at your computer and guessing if it'll work go outside and take some measurements. Until you provide more proof than I saw this on eBay and it kinda sorta looks like it'll work if I squint real hard nobody is going to waste time and money trying to see if I'll work. Again sorry to be a ahole about it.
              Better Than Nothing Racing

              Way too many cars

              :woc:

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              • #8
                You're ok shorestiva.. I don't have a g series.. I said it was for a future g series project.

                I'll be attempting the passenger mount first to ensure there is adequate clearance for the mount to actually sit in the original positions.

                From there, an f series is sitting in my shed and will be used as a mock up for the spacing. As my understanding goes, the f and g series mounting is the same, just the g series case is a little longer.

                I did leave this as an open thread open to constructive criticism and for anyone to try hence the reason asking for any findings to be replied in here.

                I didn't just use the eBay links as the exact mount that will be used, but just to broaden the view that seems to go overlooked and that's not a dig at anyone.. Hell I needed a few months to round down the amount of mounts I visually assessed without spending money to rounding it down to a near fit or minimal modification.. I'm even emailing the mount companies to get the corresponding measurements of the mounts in comparison to what I see in front of me.

                I'm not trying to annoy people, I'm just expressing an open idea.

                Sent from the depths of hell.
                Last edited by jawbraeka; 03-04-2014, 07:12 AM.
                Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
                Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

                Avg Economy:
                Highway - 7.32L/100km
                City - yet to be determined.

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                • #9
                  Instead of going on ebay and guessing, why don's you go to an auto parts store with the info you looked up on ebay and take actual measurements before posting on here for people to waste their money on things that don't work.
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                  • #10
                    I never said anyone had to buy anything

                    Sent from the depths of hell.
                    Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
                    Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

                    Avg Economy:
                    Highway - 7.32L/100km
                    City - yet to be determined.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jawbraeka View Post
                      I'll be attempting the passenger mount first to ensure there is adequate clearance for the mount to actually sit in the original positions.
                      Do this. Then maybe it works. Then maybe post it. Then maybe sticky it.
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                      • #12
                        Ok.. Alright.. Everyone calm down.

                        Its just I haven't seen any other ideas towards centering the transmission before and here is my idea.

                        Results will be updated when information comes to hand.

                        Sent from the depths of hell.
                        Last edited by jawbraeka; 03-04-2014, 07:16 AM.
                        Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
                        Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

                        Avg Economy:
                        Highway - 7.32L/100km
                        City - yet to be determined.

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                        • #13
                          Might I also say... I really do appreciate the enthusiasm and research that goes into the work you're doing here, bud. I just feel that sometimes it gets a little bit too over-zealous.
                          1988 Chevy Sprint Turbo 997cc

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aaronbrook37 View Post
                            Might I also say... I really do appreciate the enthusiasm and research that goes into the work you're doing here, bud. I just feel that sometimes it gets a little bit too over-zealous.
                            Ditto to that. I'm all about doing research and I'm glad to see you enthusiastic - but have you looked at how other people have done it before? if so you will clearly see that a lot of the ideas you post won't work.

                            I think you have a little more learning to do before you can do teaching! The kind of learning that comes from getting dirty and spinning a wrench, doing a simple swap or two then moving up the line. You'll quickly learn what works and what doesn't; stuff you can't learn from a computer.
                            Last edited by skeeters_keeper; 03-04-2014, 07:25 AM.
                            ~Nate

                            the keeper of a wonderful lil car, Skeeter.

                            Current cars:
                            91L "Skeeter" 170k, Aspire brakes, G15, BP, Advancedynamics coil overs, etc. My first love.
                            1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250 - my gas saver, 60+mpg - 40k
                            2004 MotoGuzzi Breva - my "longer range" bike - 17k

                            FOTY 2008 winner!

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                            • #15
                              Yeah OK.

                              Sent from the depths of hell.
                              Ford Festiva 1991 WA Model (5 Door)
                              Nicknamed the car 'The Chiva' (Chilli Festiva)

                              Avg Economy:
                              Highway - 7.32L/100km
                              City - yet to be determined.

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