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  • Ideas on improving Festiva aerodynamics

    I'm looking ahead to "Speedstiva." I'll want to minimize her Cd as much as possible, considering the limitations of a N/A B6 at around 110 hp.

    Here are some ideas:

    -Flush mount turn signal rectangles in front bumper. This should be a high pressure area and smoothing out the air flow over the blunt front end should be an improvement.

    -Lower car slightly (maybe one inch) and construct efficient air dam. Keeping as much air as possible from going underneath the car should provide a lowered Cd, as long as the increased frontal area does not "taketh away" from the benefits. That's the main reason for lowering it a bit--so the dam's frontal area stays smaller. I may investigate installing front brake air ducts as well. 8) Yep, keep 'em "cool."

    -Front license plate: I want to remove that steel bracket and either directly bolt the plate to the front bumper or mount it lower on the air dam where it can lie flatter, conforming closer to the car.

    -Modified grille. I'll probably work with an early model grille. Could I get away with covering up about half of it on one side? Or might it be better to cover up the top slot? I'll be using my stock single core radiator. Again, this should be a high pressure area and I would think smoothing it out will provide a definite gain, as long as I don't overheat!!

    -Going along with the above, how about an adjustable opening in the grille for slower speeds, idling and such? I could possibly rig up a lightweight system with a tandem bicycle cable to control the opening.

    -Going one better than the above, how about an air pressure operated "flapper" opening that would automatically close at higher speeds? If the grille area is actually a high pressure area, a light spring tension may provide enough power to open the hole at speeds say, under 25 to 35 mph or so, and close when the pressure builds. Does this sound like it might work?

    -There should be another high pressure area at the base of the windshield. I may try smaller wipers or even custom adjust the wiper arms to minimize wiper size while still maximizing the swept area of the windshield. Or is this area not that important?

    For example, I could change from the stock 18" blades to a left side 16" blade coupled with a lengthened right side arm with a 14" blade--which will still sweep the upper part of the right windshield but not the less important bottom area...

    -Rear quarter windows: besides going to fixed polycarbonate windows here, I would also slightly oversize them to better fit into the window aperture. Go look at your rear quarters and you will see the glass does not quite fit into the depression offered. I doubt this would help too much, but if I went to the lighter windows, I may as well fit them better.

    -Rear spoiler: I still wonder how much this thing works. It may provide some down force at higher speeds (70 plus) and it may reduce drag by abruptly cutting off the boundary layer at the top rear. Then again, it may not. Thoughts?

    One more thing, if it matters: I'll probably be using the FMS fiberglass hood too.

    Karl
    '93GL "Prettystiva" ticking B3 and 5 speed, backup DD; full swaps in spring!
    '91L "AquaMutt" my '91L; B6 swap/5 speed & Aspire brakes, DD/work car
    '92L "Twinstiva" 5sp, salvage titled, waiting for repairs...
    '93GL "Luxstiva," '94 B6 engine & ATX; needs overhauled
    '89L "Muttstiva," now a storage bin, future trailer project

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    -=Whittey=-

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    • #3
      go on a DIET Karl.

      lose the weight, then trim the car

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      • #4
        I would think that unless you are going to be driving at really high speeds most of these mods wouldn't help much. I would concentrate on making the car lighter myself.
        Brian
        http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2274977



        93 GL modyfied!!!
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        • #5
          I think for normal highway speeds the real gains you might see are in control of the air into the engine compartment and under the car. The air dam is a start but you need to block off the radiator area so that air has to go through the radiator to get into the engine compartment and then block the grill and bumper areas so that only the amount of air needed to cool the engine gets to the radiator. Stock most of the air going into the engine compartment doesn't go through the radiator and hits directly on the engine block or firewall.

          Deems
          1990 Festiva 422,000 mile rust bucket.
          1995 Aspire 5-door

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          • #6
            obviously the only logical way to do this is to construct an acrylic egg to put the whole car in.

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            • #7
              Easy buy a Aspire :laughing4: or do something like this..
              91 rusty Festiva 260k

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              • #8
                I'm also doing a "weight reduction program" on both the car and me.

                This thread is for aero stuff.

                I liked Deems' comments on the engine compartment a lot. That's what I hope to do with my grille mods: control the airflow to the radiator so it is adequate but no more.

                From the diagram Whittey posted it seems the grille area may indeed be an important one to eliminate any extra turbulence caused by too-large openings. Meanwhile, the base of the windshield may not be all that important. I'll still experiment with the wiper sizes since that's easy to do. Besides, 16" blades weigh less than 18" blades!

                Thanks all.

                Karl
                '93GL "Prettystiva" ticking B3 and 5 speed, backup DD; full swaps in spring!
                '91L "AquaMutt" my '91L; B6 swap/5 speed & Aspire brakes, DD/work car
                '92L "Twinstiva" 5sp, salvage titled, waiting for repairs...
                '93GL "Luxstiva," '94 B6 engine & ATX; needs overhauled
                '89L "Muttstiva," now a storage bin, future trailer project

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                • #9
                  i'd just go with a more aerodynamic front end. if you can find one i'd see about importing a festiva gt-a front clip. that or have a decent body shop fabricate one for you. it's a simple design, aerodynamic and has a smaller grill area. http://homepage1.nifty.com/brain_hp/...ow/festiva.htm i'd love to get my hands on one of these!
                  Jesus is on my dashboard, But the Devil is under my hood
                  1988 ford festiva...in limbo, apartments suck
                  1995 Ford Aspire...in limbo, wow i need a garage
                  2002 vw jetta wagon 2.0L, neuspeed p-flow 1994 Mercury cougar xr-7 v8, lowered, 18's

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                  • #10
                    Oh yeah, I like the GT-A model. However, my basic guidelines are:

                    -keep it low cost
                    -keep it looking stock to avoid undue attention from thieves & vandals
                    -no "bling" (see above)
                    -"blend in" rather than "stand out" (again, see above)

                    One thing the GT-A front end suggests is that I can cover up at least half of my upper grille area. With any luck, maybe even 3/4s of it. Hell, maybe ALL of it!

                    I'm gonna work on carefully ducting air into the single core radiator from a much smaller opening in the grille and maybe covering up some of the bottom opening as well.

                    I may remove most of the front end (bumper cover, beam, etc.) and do some significant mods to blend in a nice air dam and cut all the air flow into the engine compartment. Also reduce weight when possible.

                    My initial work will be several rough grille designs to see if she begins to overheat. One design will simply close up the upper grille.

                    One other idea is to have two different grille designs: one for hot weather and one for two or three of the coldest winter months. Grilles are easy to swap around & play with.

                    Thanks all--more ideas welcome!

                    Karl
                    '93GL "Prettystiva" ticking B3 and 5 speed, backup DD; full swaps in spring!
                    '91L "AquaMutt" my '91L; B6 swap/5 speed & Aspire brakes, DD/work car
                    '92L "Twinstiva" 5sp, salvage titled, waiting for repairs...
                    '93GL "Luxstiva," '94 B6 engine & ATX; needs overhauled
                    '89L "Muttstiva," now a storage bin, future trailer project

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                    • #11
                      Make a roll pan that covers the entire underneath of the car, I've seen this on some hot rods before.
                      Brian
                      http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2274977



                      93 GL modyfied!!!
                      :fish:

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                      • #12
                        Now you're talking "work" Brian!

                        I'm not that motivated!

                        Oh, plus it adds weight and will make servicing the car more difficult.

                        Karl
                        '93GL "Prettystiva" ticking B3 and 5 speed, backup DD; full swaps in spring!
                        '91L "AquaMutt" my '91L; B6 swap/5 speed & Aspire brakes, DD/work car
                        '92L "Twinstiva" 5sp, salvage titled, waiting for repairs...
                        '93GL "Luxstiva," '94 B6 engine & ATX; needs overhauled
                        '89L "Muttstiva," now a storage bin, future trailer project

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                        • #13
                          Cover the wheel wells and a flat bottom, tape over body seals.
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                          • #14
                            Moon disc on the wheels, check out what they do for Bonneville flats cars. I am sure there is some good tips to be found on those cars!
                            Brian
                            http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2274977



                            93 GL modyfied!!!
                            :fish:

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                            • #15
                              Here is an article that might give some ideas: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specia...4/article.html

                              Deems
                              1990 Festiva 422,000 mile rust bucket.
                              1995 Aspire 5-door

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