Combo switches mysteries revealed (Gen1 - gen2 - pride from 4green)

[PhoenixSHO]

Well on my shogun i wanted a new combo sw, plus int. wipers. These things are hard to come by. F3BZ told me to look into this Pride model available on 4green @ 75$ , it was untested yet (if it fits our stuff here)

So here we go:

The Pride SW will fit (plug and play) all the early models that DO NOT have parking and headlamp relays in the car. From my research , the 89 is OK. The problem is that the later models added relays in the car so that smaller current would pass in the combo sw. In the Early festy and Pride models , the SW has relays incorporated in it.

If you want your new pride sw to work with a later model (that has relays) , you will have to modify your harness , remove relays etc. For the later models again , its only the parking lamps and headlamps circuits that needs to be modded. The wipers are plug and play.

The pride sw has the GEN1 stalks (uncurved).

[bravekozak]

I must have got lucky. I used the old '89 wiring harness in my '93 Festiva. I didn't need to make any wiring changes for the lights to use with my replacement combo switch.

[Bert]

A whole bunch of extra work! Thank you for being the 'advance scout' (or the Guinea pig) on this. I don't think I will be getting in the lineup at FourGreen in order to get mixed up in something like this. Most of us already know that 88-89 Festys are different (carb VS EFI) and that 89 ATXs are a EFI 'one-offs' but to discover that steering wheel electrics within that timeframe are also in that realm really is frustrating.

[F3BZ]

sorry bout that but Phoenix. had i known, woulda told but i never got around to actually installing the one i have. i still plan to install mine eventually regardless. there is always a work-around mechanically and electrically. nothing like overcoming a little challenge and FORCING it to work. we MAN UP and just DO IT! not like these plug n' playbies. right? RIGHT? (OK mine will soon be FS to some unsuspecting noob). that's why i try not to put anything in the GRAB BAG thread unless i know it is a direct fit. there can be problems when using and adapting KIA PRIDE parts with FESTIVA parts. remember, the PRIDE was in production from 1990-2000 in the civilized world. and IRAN. later models even had 13" wheels! that's 10 yrs. production of RHD and LHD variants sold in about 8 world markets. compare that to our 5 year run of basically the same variant that was itself based on a car introduced in Japan in 1985 or 86. add to this that the carburated engine was installed in some markets well into the 90s and add to that that a lot of the later PRIDES were available with accessories and conveniences we were denied. it's actually cool that so many parts DO fit or CAN be MADE to fit and work that keeps interest in this econobox so rabid, popular and even cult like. as a tip, when i order parts from 4G or elsewhere, i always give preference to the parts that are indicated as a direct fit for the early (90-94) PRIDES. these are usually the closest to the ones on US FESTIVAS. but there too. the instruments/switches will be orange. and almost all will have the carbed engine. and even their carbed pollution crap is a little different than ours.

[PhoenixSHO]

Yup , problem solving is my middle name.

Its pretty funny that EVERY pin of all the connectors are in the same place and does the same thing after all these years , in the 2000 era , Ford could have 2 completely diff harnesses in the same year.

[Gomez]

My question is "Shouldn't the switch work if the new car uses low amperage wire to switch the relay already built into the car. The only difference is the new switch will use bigger wires. I could see if it was the other way around and you were trying to use a low amperage switch to run the lights without the relays.

So if the 88-89 used built in relays they had larger gauge wires, you would need a switch with built-in relays. So the 90-93 modesl switches would not work.

BUT if you have 90-93 they already have relays built into the wiring harness somewhere. any of the switches would work. Especially "IF" all the switches use the same wiring diagram.

[PhoenixSHO]

In the shogun , it has a 92 harness. First thing that I tried was to plug it in and see and the park lamps (and I think the hi beam) wouldnt work but everything else was OK if I remember correctly.

I strongly recommand consulting a 89 and 92 wiring diagram BEFORE you tackle this. Thats what I did , I printed full size sheets for them and checked every single wires.

[Gomez]

Thanks dude, I'll look into it.

[Gomez]

Hmmmmmmmmm, I just realized I just need the wiper part anyway. I already have a new light switch. Brain fart AGAIN!!!! thank for posting this. I am going onto the FG group buy now.

[sketchman]

Any info on making this work in later cars?

I'm looking at a Haynes diagram of each year, and I think it will be simple, but I haven't tried it yet. Looks like (again from a Haynes, so....) that the old style is just a switch carrying the load, and the new style uses relays. If that's the case I think you could just match the control grounds to the corresponding Hi/Lo beam wires and combine all the hot wires into one, and it should work. Speaking of the harness end. Not inside the new combo switch assembly.

I have 88 and 91 Festiva EWDs coming so I can see for sure, but I'm still curious in the meantime.

[sketchman]

Just played with the switch. The Haynes is right. The 88/89 and the Pride unit use a plain switch for the headlights. No relays. So that should be why it isn't working right in the 90s models. The 90s design expects a separate ground for the control side of the relays whereas the 80s is just grounding the headlights to turn them on and switching between circuits to do the Hi/Lo control.

This should be very simple to do.

[sketchman]

.... the 80s is just closing the circuit on the headlights to turn them on and switching between circuits to do the Hi/Lo control.

Fixed. The lights are always grounded. My mistake. Still just a switch, though.

[getnpsi]

good work here. I should post my own thread or send PMs out, but i bought a mazda mpv multi int/cruise switch from ebay a few months ago that is a fuse eater. All plugs line up as in your examples. Actually i did start a thread but didnt really try to get anyone to help.