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  • Another Festiva brake/suspension swap

    Alright,

    I went and got a bunch of parts from the wrecking yard. And now, after swapping the rear suspension, I'm beginning to think that I may not have needed so many parts.

    They pulled it all for me, I got front suspension assembly including struts,springs, knuckle, brakes and sway bar. I also got four 14x5 escort steel wheels.
    I got the rear trailing axle with brakes and struts, and ebrake cable as in the list from earlier in this post.
    Total price $400

    I didn't need the brake cable, as the stock one fit just perfect. I didn't see any difference in the two cables, so I assume it will work.

    What I want to know, is where's the integrated rear sway bar? I read about it in the brake swap directions, http://www.fordfestiva.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144
    but it doesn't look like my donor aspire had one. The trailing axle looks exactly like the festiva except for the brakes. Did they leave it on the donor car? It was a 2 door, 94.

    I can attest that both Festiva and Aspire rear springs are exactly the same, both 3/8" diameter and the same length, unless they are made of different material. The Aspire struts are longer however.

    Regarding the front swap. I'm wondering if i can use the Aspire sway bar on the festiva with stock control arms. When i get the original removed, i'll compare and maybe bend the aspire bar to match the festiva. I wonder if the sway bar is heat treated in any way. I expect i would have to heat it in order to make a bend. I guess i could try the muffler shop to see if they could help out too.

    Somebody please tell me where the hell the damn rear sway bar it. It's not in my repair manual either.

    Also, There's a two strand wire running into the rear brake drum. What the hell is that for? There's nothing to hook it to on my car. How do i remove it without screwing something up?

    I need to know what struts to get. I don't want a bumpy ride because i spend a lot of time on dirt roads and in the desert. My original struts are totally gone, I can move them up and down with 2 fingers. I don't want to spend a fortune. I have some old bilstien shocks from a mercedes, maybe i can bolt those on somehow.

    One more thing. What's the biggest tire i can put on my car? I want as much ground clearance as i can get. I'm willing to beat the living hell out of my inner fenders, or even cut them out. And of course cut out the outer fender.

    Input is appreciated.


    JC

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    Hi JC. I'll try to help. I did the swap on my '89L a few years ago, using the Aspire struts with the Aspire springs cut about 1-1.5 coils (can't remember now).

    The stabilizer bar is integral with the rear axle body. I think you'll see a tubular bar inside the axle body (I'm driving my '93GL which hasn't had the swap yet, so I can't go and look 'cause I'm at work).

    The Aspire rear struts will help give you a bit more clearance for rear tires, since the spring perch is maybe 3/4" higher than the Festiva strut.

    Tire clearance will depend on many factors. Do a search and begin collecting ideas. I ran 165/70-13s on VW 13 X 5.5" alloys on my '89L, with approximately stock ride height after cutting the Aspire springs and had no problems.

    I'd forgo the Aspire front stabilizer bar if I were you. You'll gain a bunch of rear roll stiffness with the Aspire rear axle, and I think you'll find you don't need more front roll stiffness, which would probably make you understeer more. You don't need that.

    I also found the rear Aspire vs. Festiva springs to be within 1 pound of stiffness from each other, and that could have been due to spring wear ('89 Festiva springs vs. the newer '96 Aspire springs). I bet they are specced the same strength.

    Stick with Festiva control arms. Aspire arms are a bit longer.

    I have no idea what that "two strand wire" is from your rear brake. Is it on both sides? Could be off an Aspire that had ABS, I suppose.

    For the 14 X 5" Escort rims, I'd try the lowest tires you could find. I think Matt Swabb is running a 165/65-14 on his? Look up his web pages and see.

    Be sure to use the Aspire tie rod ends on your Festiva to fit the Aspire knuckles. You could try some Escort tie rod ends, as I think Yvan said they'd fit and they were cheaper and had grease fittings to boot. I may try those when I do my next swap.

    Also on my next suspension swap I want to use the FMS Aspire lowering springs to see if I get close to stock height.

    I just sold my condo but I have to wait a week for the check to clear! I should have some FUNDING now!

    My next project will begin soon...

    Good luck JC!

    Karl
    '93GL "Prettystiva" ticking B3 and 5 speed, backup DD; full swaps in spring!
    '91L "AquaMutt" my '91L; B6 swap/5 speed & Aspire brakes, DD/work car
    '92L "Twinstiva" 5sp, salvage titled, waiting for repairs...
    '93GL "Luxstiva," '94 B6 engine & ATX; needs overhauled
    '89L "Muttstiva," now a storage bin, future trailer project

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    • #3
      strut interference?

      I got my 175/65/14 tires mounted, and the rear half of the car done. I'm going to drive around for a week and then do the front after my struts get here.

      Today i was looking the car over, and noticed that I have only about an inch of clearance between the spring perch and the tire.

      Does anyone know if the KYB GR-2 struts are any different dimensionally than the Aspire struts?

      I can really tell a difference in handling, no body roll. The new rear tires made some noise in the corners, but they were cold. I guess you can't expect much from $34 tires.

      I want to get some even bigger tires after these wear out. I'll have to get wheel spacers to move them out away from the inner fender and strut.

      Check this out. 14" ATV tires: http://www.itptires.com/mudlitextr.html

      Wouldn't that be a hoot?! I wonder if they'd hold up to the weight.

      Let me know about the KYB struts, I need to order them soon so I can get this project done.

      JC

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      • #4
        The GR2's should be the same perch location as the factory units. The two wires coming out of the brake backing plates are for ABS sensors. I have it on my rally car and use them to drive the rally odo computer, since there isn't excesive wheel spin from the back end. The front sway bar from an Aspire won't fit with the Festiva arms, too wide.

        Have fun with the new handling and braking power... Jon R.
        Jon Rood Car# 306

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        • #5
          Portal axles

          Hey,

          I just had an interesting thought.

          What if I fabricated some portal axle spindles to bolt on to the front knuckle? Then I could drop the wheel axis 4-6 inches, gain tremendous body lift and sport as big a tire as i want. Do you think there might be a market for front drive off road cars? I bet anybody with a logical mind would appreciate a fuel efficient off road rig. How much would you pay for a 6 inch festiva lift, 14 inch wheels, and 28" swamper tires?

          Is there a limited slip Mod available for the festiva?

          I think i'll go ahead and order my GR2 struts. I need to come up with a good name for my Festiva.

          JC

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          • #6
            it's been covered before, your limited to the ammount of lift by the halfshaft angle. go too extreme and you'll rip your cv joints apart
            Jesus is on my dashboard, But the Devil is under my hood
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            • #7
              Yeah I would say up to possibly 4inches of lift you could use the the stock CV's... I really want to try some quad tires on an off road Festiva... 8)
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              • #8
                atv tires are too light duty. Now, skid loader tires....
                Jim DeAngelis

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                • #9
                  ok realistically how to get a 1-2 inch lift on a 93 festy any ideas????
                  Anything for a Festiva:thumbup::thumbright:

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                  • #10
                    I'll take the emergency brake cable if it's all intact and in good condition!

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                    • #11
                      I just found the Aspire Springs raised the rear of the car an inch or so. Iam now thinking about safety guys comment about not using the Aspire front sway bar. I guess I will decide tomorrow whether it goes in or not. I thought it was the ticket.
                      It seems to me the Aspire springs are thicker than the Festiva, but i might be just a newer spring, will have to Mic them.
                      Aspires and Sways all around, Miata B6 installed, KYB G2Rs just installed in front. Wish for coil overs someday.

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                      • #12
                        Use the sway bar... its great! Karl, i'm not sure why you think it will make it under steer more... It seems to be much flatter in the turns which keeps more rubber on the ground in the front, decreasing under steer... correct me if i'm wrong, but this is what i've observed from having the aspire swap with the stock bar for a long time, and then switching to the aspire bar for the past few months. I know a few other folks who have done it and have experienced the same. Its an awesome upgrade!
                        ~Nate

                        the keeper of a wonderful lil car, Skeeter.

                        Current cars:
                        91L "Skeeter" 170k, Aspire brakes, G15, BP, Advancedynamics coil overs, etc. My first love.
                        1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250 - my gas saver, 60+mpg - 40k
                        2004 MotoGuzzi Breva - my "longer range" bike - 17k

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by skeeters_keeper View Post
                          Use the sway bar... its great! Karl, i'm not sure why you think it will make it under steer more... It seems to be much flatter in the turns which keeps more rubber on the ground in the front, decreasing under steer... correct me if i'm wrong, but this is what i've observed from having the aspire swap with the stock bar for a long time, and then switching to the aspire bar for the past few months. I know a few other folks who have done it and have experienced the same. Its an awesome upgrade!
                          But doesn't using the aspire front sway bar just kill your bushing cause it's wider then the stock one for a festiva
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                          • #14
                            uh, no?!

                            if your talking about the LCA to swaybar bushings, the aspire swaybar is the same width as the festiva swaybar there (i posted pics of the measurements a while back to dispel the rumor that they were not the same). For the sway-bar to body mounts in the front you have to use the aspire bushings, no way they would fit the festiva bushings.
                            ~Nate

                            the keeper of a wonderful lil car, Skeeter.

                            Current cars:
                            91L "Skeeter" 170k, Aspire brakes, G15, BP, Advancedynamics coil overs, etc. My first love.
                            1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250 - my gas saver, 60+mpg - 40k
                            2004 MotoGuzzi Breva - my "longer range" bike - 17k

                            FOTY 2008 winner!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wcbarker View Post
                              ok realistically how to get a 1-2 inch lift on a 93 festy any ideas????
                              As mentioned, Aspire springs will lift a festiva

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                              2008 Ford Escape - Rollover Survivor

                              1990 Festiva - First Ever Completed KLZE swap (SOLD)

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