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  • #31
    Lol, it's not that hard to cut the coils, actually, you don't even have to take them fully off the strut, I didn't. As long as you compress the springs until they're fully independant of the upper and lower perch, cut away. If you wanted to flop the compressor kit upside down there might even be a way to compress the springs with the strut still attached to the car? I'm not sure if there's enough room up there honestly, but it doesn't take 15 minutes to get each strut off after you jack the car up, after the first time it's a breese because you realise it's only 4 bolts! And the clip for the brake line ofc!


    Timmay, you need to keep in mind what your doing here tho, your attempting to shorten the distance from the top mount (body) to the axel/hub. Your lower control arm is a fixed length, therefore the stock ride height with the stock springs is what determines your camber, if you extend it, like it is now with taller springs, your camber is in the positive,

    meaning your tires are slanting inward "\ /".

    Now if you cut the spring to stock ride height, they will be sitting flat on the pavement "¡ ¡"

    Then if you cut more to "lower" your car, they tires will go into negative camber "/ \"

    Negative camber is bad for more than one reason, oversteer and poor handling being the biggest I can think of, but also it's going to put more wear on your tires and bearings/lca because they'll be taking more abuse trying to keep the tires pulled in with the weight of the car always bearing down on it.

    Camber bolts can correct this, to an extent. The ones I was looking at only correct 1.5 degrees, I'm not an expert, I'm just throwing it out there that you need to be careful, I'm not exactly sure how far into the negative (or positive) is so bad that it will be a practical danger.

    This is just "book" information, and I believe it's true, but may not be, you should look into it to verify for yourself. IMO, "book" information isn't always practical, I mean we all know these struts fit even tho no manufacturer or shop would recommend it, we all know you can start a car with a motorcycle battery, and it's common knowledge that festivas & aspires are the best cars in the world, even if edmunds rates them as the 89th? worst vehicle ever produced.

    My aspire right now, with 1 coil off, still has positive camber, you can clearly see the tires slanting inward "\ /" slightly. I've put roughly 5k on it, and haven't noticed any extra wear on the tires whatsoever, and the handling is unbeatable imo, i've heard a little positive camber is good, at the same time I haven't had it aligned yet either to see what 'they' say about it, even after completely removing the sway bar my steering wheel sits where it used to. Who knows what 20k miles is going to do to the tires tho, that's why this is still a trial and error swap.
    2008 Kia Rio- new beater
    1987 F-150- revived and CLEAN!!!
    1987 Suzuki Dual Sport- fun beater bike
    1993 Festiva- Fiona, DD
    1997 Aspire- Peaspire, Refurb'd, sold
    1997 Aspire- Babyspire, DD
    1994 Aspire - Project Kiazord
    1994 Aspire- Crustyspire, RIP



    "If it moves, grease it, if it don't, paint it, and if it ain't broke don't fix it!"

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    • #32
      Positive camber is terrible for handling. As far as handling goes on macpherson front struts you want about as much static negative camber as possible.

      I have camber bolts and I have my festiva set at about -1.5. My wrx is set at -2, and I think I might go further when I align it next.


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      • #33
        Thank you for the information. Currently as the car sits there might bit a bit of positive camber, but if so, it's very minimal. I can't notice it. So if lowering it will cause the camber to go a bit more negative I am ok with that, I just don't want -1.5 camber as I like my tires too much.
        Last edited by timmay89; 12-15-2011, 06:58 PM.

        -1989 festiva auto to standard conversion, bp g5mr white, aspire swap- October 2010 Festiva of the Month
        -1993 festiva stock standard blue, kia rio front struts

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        • #34
          Originally posted by zoom zoom View Post
          ...
          Negative camber is bad for more than one reason, oversteer and poor handling being the biggest I can think of...
          Exactly the opposite (within reason).
          Oscar

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          • #35
            Originally posted by zoom zoom View Post
            Lol, it's not that hard to cut the coils, actually, you don't even have to take them fully off the strut, I didn't. As long as you compress the springs until they're fully independant of the upper and lower perch, cut away. If you wanted to flop the compressor kit upside down there might even be a way to compress the springs with the strut still attached to the car? I'm not sure if there's enough room up there honestly, but it doesn't take 15 minutes to get each strut off after you jack the car up, after the first time it's a breese because you realise it's only 4 bolts! And the clip for the brake line ofc!


            Timmay, you need to keep in mind what your doing here tho, your attempting to shorten the distance from the top mount (body) to the axel/hub. Your lower control arm is a fixed length, therefore the stock ride height with the stock springs is what determines your camber, if you extend it, like it is now with taller springs, your camber is in the positive,

            meaning your tires are slanting inward "\ /".

            Now if you cut the spring to stock ride height, they will be sitting flat on the pavement "¡ ¡"

            Then if you cut more to "lower" your car, they tires will go into negative camber "/ \"

            Negative camber is bad for more than one reason, oversteer and poor handling being the biggest I can think of, but also it's going to put more wear on your tires and bearings/lca because they'll be taking more abuse trying to keep the tires pulled in with the weight of the car always bearing down on it.

            Camber bolts can correct this, to an extent. The ones I was looking at only correct 1.5 degrees, I'm not an expert, I'm just throwing it out there that you need to be careful, I'm not exactly sure how far into the negative (or positive) is so bad that it will be a practical danger.

            This is just "book" information, and I believe it's true, but may not be, you should look into it to verify for yourself. IMO, "book" information isn't always practical, I mean we all know these struts fit even tho no manufacturer or shop would recommend it, we all know you can start a car with a motorcycle battery, and it's common knowledge that festivas & aspires are the best cars in the world, even if edmunds rates them as the 89th? worst vehicle ever produced.

            My aspire right now, with 1 coil off, still has positive camber, you can clearly see the tires slanting inward "\ /" slightly. I've put roughly 5k on it, and haven't noticed any extra wear on the tires whatsoever, and the handling is unbeatable imo, i've heard a little positive camber is good, at the same time I haven't had it aligned yet either to see what 'they' say about it, even after completely removing the sway bar my steering wheel sits where it used to. Who knows what 20k miles is going to do to the tires tho, that's why this is still a trial and error swap.
            not being a prick here, but you should stop and do some comprehensive research before posting what does what and how.

            camber (negative) will REDUCE understeer and tire rollover in a turn by allowing more tread to contact the ground. it is also NOT a factor in tread wear (when within reason; 5*negative is not within reason, but 2.5 or less is, easily.) TOE (in or out) is the biggest cause of tire tread wear as it has a direct relation to scrub. camber and it's relationship to toe can either lessen or exasterbate the scrub issue thus leading to more even or extremely uneven (and quicker) tread wear.

            also, removing your swaybar from your aspire is ludicris. by doing so, you've just eleminated the only part that locates the front wheel's longitudinal position in relation to the wheel well. that being said, if you were then to drive the car in that condition, the front wheels will pull themselves into the front bumper and the car will be uncontrolable (the swaybar also functions as the caster lock on our cars).
            Trees aren't kind to me...

            currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
            94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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            • #36
              When I replaced the lca/sway bar bushings it was easier to take the front sway bar mounts off than fight it locked in position. It's still on there, I don't think anyone would talk about deleting a sway bar unless they were talking about how they totaled their car.

              I appreciate the criticism, but you shouldn't take it for granted that I was just talking out of my butt. I might be wrong, but words don't just come out on their own, they were learned first. That's what I was told by a few people, so that was my impression.
              Last edited by zoom zoom; 12-16-2011, 11:45 PM.
              2008 Kia Rio- new beater
              1987 F-150- revived and CLEAN!!!
              1987 Suzuki Dual Sport- fun beater bike
              1993 Festiva- Fiona, DD
              1997 Aspire- Peaspire, Refurb'd, sold
              1997 Aspire- Babyspire, DD
              1994 Aspire - Project Kiazord
              1994 Aspire- Crustyspire, RIP



              "If it moves, grease it, if it don't, paint it, and if it ain't broke don't fix it!"

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              • #37
                don't get me wrong, i read your entire post (including the "this is just "book" information), and took that into account as well. i just felt that it would be in everyones best interest to make some corrections before confusion set in.

                as for the swaybar, i'm glad that it was re-installed, but maybe in the future, you should specify what was done in it's entirety. reading the last paragraph, one would gather that you completely removed the swaybar and left it off. that's just how it reads.

                just saying a little more clarity goes along way, know what i mean?
                Trees aren't kind to me...

                currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                • #38
                  As I said, with 1.5 coil off kio rio springs the whole assembly was too long. We did not find a way to jack the assembly, we cut more spring instead:

                  with total 2.5 coil off the spring, spring is not compressed if not under car weight and has a very little of free plain in the assembly. Easily mounts to the spindle, no jacking.

                  Here are some pics (wheels are 195/55/15 i think. have not yet tried driving this, but tire does stick outside the car)


                  rusEfi - DIY ECU
                  93 EFI: tach cluster, aspire mirrors & spindles. ZX2 master cylinder, BP+G25 swap with a door hinge, rio struts. 205/50r15, 140mph speedometer,rear disk brakes, mini cooper + subaru front brakes rear sway bar

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                  • #39
                    Thank you for posting up pictures, they are much appreciated. I feel that for myself 2.5 coils will be too much, as I assume once you drive that it will go lower. Do you mind taking more pictures in a couple of days when the coil sets in properly? For myself, I'm thinking 1.5 coils is still the way to go, as that is going to be low.

                    -1989 festiva auto to standard conversion, bp g5mr white, aspire swap- October 2010 Festiva of the Month
                    -1993 festiva stock standard blue, kia rio front struts

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                    • #40
                      Update: I tried and tried for about a month and a half to be ok with the with extra height on the Kia Rio front struts, but who was I kidding it was just a bit too high. So yesterday I had some free time. I cut exactly 1.5 coils and then attempted to rebend the spring back to its original shape. After much hard work the blue car is back together. At the moment I can get 3 fingers between the fender, but I anticipate that to change once I drive on them. I will post pictures in about a week.

                      I do advice if people go with the Kia Rio struts that they cut coils. You can get away without it, but in the long run it gets annoying.

                      -1989 festiva auto to standard conversion, bp g5mr white, aspire swap- October 2010 Festiva of the Month
                      -1993 festiva stock standard blue, kia rio front struts

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