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[Axlander9289]

He should respect the B3 because of its legendary reliability, durability, and fuel economy.

Yet given the chance 90+% of the members here would go B6T and not think twice. I respect the N/A 2.3L motor ford made for it's durability and reliability, but I'd toss one out in a second for a turbocoupe drive train. No questions asked.

I, for one do not want a B6T. I could maybe see myself with an NA B6 in my car. But I think the B6T, while ridiculously fast would rob the Festiva or its "Festivaness." The B3 isn't going to set any performance records, but it's at least, peppy, responsive, efficient and reliable, and that's more than can be said for a lot of modern engines. I'd think twice before chucking a perfectly healthy B3 for ANY swap. Not that I hate SHOguns either. They are clearly spectacular. All I mean to say is that even within the ranks of Festiva drivers, it seems that stock Festivas are underrated.

Bottom line, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Quickslick4444]

more or less upgrading.. not fixing

[DON SVO]

I, for one do not want a B6T. I could maybe see myself with an NA B6 in my car. But I think the B6T, while ridiculously fast would rob the Festiva or its "Festivaness." The B3 isn't going to set any performance records, but it's at least, peppy, responsive, efficient and reliable, and that's more than can be said for a lot of modern engines. I'd think twice before chucking a perfectly healthy B3 for ANY swap. Not that I hate SHOguns either. They are clearly spectacular. All I mean to say is that even within the ranks of Festiva drivers, it seems that stock Festivas are underrated.

Bottom line, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Well, a stock festiva runs a 16.xx quarter mile with a strong headwind and a gear-banging driver... that's not peppy. Also I don't think a B6T is "rediculously fast"... a low 13 second/high 12 second car is quick but not fast. I want a B6T swapped Festiva for the fuel economy and fun-factor. I had a friend with a festiva a few year's back, and we had a blast driving that car like retards. It handles like a go-kart and, with a bit of weight reduction and double the power, I bet a festiva would embarrass the hell out of a lot of cars.

[roycehof]

Hey, the B3 stock does pretty well considering that you can get mid 40 MPGs out of it. However, it sure would be sweet to have a B6T in a stock looking Festiva - Since people do seem to look down on them, it would be so cool to have a fast one, especially when they try to pass you. Getting blown away by a Festiva could be a little damaging to a person's ego -LOL!

[superduder]

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[geezerstiva]

the festiva does feel very peppy when you drive it, especially considering the tiny amounts of horsepower. i think its fun to drive without the B6T, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't want one! but i think i agree with axlander, i'd rather have a B6. i don't know why. at the moment i'd like to see how far mine will go on one engine!
ps. awesome sig superduder!

[hamburglar]

why would someone want a B3 or even a B6...
they are the main reason people make fun of our cars. They are OMG slow. granted a B6>B3, but B6T>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>either

[geezerstiva]

a B6 must have at least 80-90 horsepower while the B3 has 58. that is a major improvement. also i would think (correct me if i'm wrong) that turbos are just another thing that can go wrong. i don't know, as i've never owned a turbo, but still, it makes the system more complex, and in my experience the more complex something is, the more likely to screw up. so im thinking reliability also. maybe a BP is the thing for me. :lol:

[SimonTuffGuy]

A B6 has 80 hp IIRC... I think when I dyno'ed mine, it was pulling 77 at the wheels.

I like my BP. A dyno is the next thing on my schedule!

[superduder]

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[Gomez]

I am thinking BP as well. Probably with a quiet exhaust :twisted: . I have some Mustang and Ricer buddies that are laughing already. They still think I am doing a stock B3.

[Festiva_tunner]

a B6 must have at least 80-90 horsepower while the B3 has 58. that is a major improvement. also i would think (correct me if i'm wrong) that turbos are just another thing that can go wrong. i don't know, as i've never owned a turbo, but still, it makes the system more complex, and in my experience the more complex something is, the more likely to screw up. so im thinking reliability also. maybe a BP is the thing for me. :lol:

I quote the 6 P's
Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Preformance

as long as you work out the bugs there is nothing wrong with more complexity . . . more things that "could" go wrong just as if you compared an older car with a modern car . . . most cars today have anywhere from 12 - 23 EMCs (more on luxury models) to control various functions on the car, look at the festys they have 1. So to say more complexity is bad is not necessarily true . . .

[geezerstiva]

i personally do not like newer cars for just that reason. we have a 98 windstar van, and the air controls do not work right. they are knobs with electronic switches that open air doors or whatever. the festiva (or a lot of older cars) have mechanical levers that work just fine and have never given any trouble. while i do agree with the 6 P's (awesome btw) i would add that in most situations, the simpler the better. it also makes it easier to fix.
ps. i'm really not argumentative.:wink: cant you tell? :lol:

[Safety Guy]

For someone's first engine swap, the B6 is ideal. No more than one or two wires to redo, stock engine mounts, and it's essentially the same engine to begin with. In return, you get 19 more hp and if your stock brakes are working well, you shouldn't have to worry about stopping if you drive moderately.

The B6T needs more wiring knowledge, different mounts, and ideally, an intercooler. To a beginning mechanic like me, that's just too much to start with. Plus if you really want to enjoy all that power with some semblence of safety, you'd better have the suspension and brake upgrades!!

Stock B3 Festivas with one person and no back seat can be quite "peppy." Not really "fast" though. My ATX B6 is about like that. Much better than an ATX B3, but only about average compared with other cars.

My impression is that with the MTX, the stock 82 hp B6 is beginning to get into the "fast" category. You should be able to really surprise some "quick" cars you meet on the road with a stock MTX B6 and some lightening work. Aspire brakes recommended, of course!

The B6 should have been standard on ATX Festivas from the factory. And it's so sad that, as easy as it would have been to put in the B6, that Ford didn't offer a performance version with just a stock 82 hp B6. The "Sport" version really would have been "sporty!"

Rumor was one year that Ford was considering a twin cam B3 head for the Festiva. But of course they didn't.

Karl

[Festiva GTX]

Rumor was one year that Ford was considering a twin cam B3 head for the Festiva. But of course they didn't.

Karl

I wondering if Ford was planning to have twin cam for B3 so it would be 1300cc BJ Engine 16Valve DOHC as seen made in Japan?