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  • The farewell thread (everything I know about Festivas)

    So a few days ago mxtwo50r came to pick up my car and the transaction went very well and I have no complaints. That said, it is perhaps the end of an era. Or at least a stage in my life. I got the car when I had plenty of time and no money. My vision was to take it to the Grassroots Motorsports Challenge and then make the ultimate in efficient daily transportation. However, shortly after purchasing the car I got very busy and althouhg I worked on it occasionally it would've taken years to complete at my pace. While this would be fine with me, my parents were not prepared to have the car in the garage that long.

    But in the 6 months or so that I owned the car, I learned everything I could about Festivas and quite a bit about the Festiva community as well and I thought before I move on I'd like to share some of that knowledge.

    1. The first and foremost thing I learned is that the Festiva's primary attribute is that it's a piece of crap and it was designed to be. Using the anti-roll bar as a suspension arm? That's some seriously sketchy cost saving right there! But being a piece of crap is also what gives the car its appeal to me. It takes away your inhibitions about doing something crazy and you don't freak out if you get something on the paint. It also provides plenty of material for jokes and good times with friends. With this said, it seems like many on this board take their Festivas WAY too seriously. These are fun little cars, and can occasionally be fast but they were and are simply the cheapest cars Ford could kick out during their production. Do you yourself a favor and have a sense of humor.
    2. There are no Festivas in junkyards around me. 'Nuff said.
    3. Festivas CAN be made to look cool, but not with those retarded FMS bumpers. You either need to do it Tim Deronne style like the first link or cut the bottom half of the stock bumper off and make a custom one out of sheet aluminum, like the second link below.


    The wheels must also be done right. I'm not going to name names, but it seems like most Festiva owners just went down to the wheel shop or junkyard and just settled for the only thing that fit. There's really no reason to do this since quality used wheels in the correct sizes tend to be extremely inexpensive on the internet. The VWVortex has a great 4x100 wheels for sale forum. Miata forums are another source. Below are just two examples of the kind of deal that can be had on there.


    Mesh wheels look good on Festivas (see link below). Minilite/Panasport style wheels also look good on Festivas. I was even thinking about doing some red steel wheels with whitewall tires. Options are really plentiful, but you have to have some sort As with any car, offset is a huge deal and the wheels must match the rest of the car. The ideal wheels would either be Volk TE37s, or my personal favorites, 13" Dymag cast magnesium wheels (HAWT!).

    The car also needs to be low. These cars are tall enough without being set up like rally cars. Once again, Tim Deronne really shows how it's done with his H Production car and he was very helpful with giving me suspension advice. His e-mail address is tderonne at yahoo dot com.
    The car does not need to be widened, but the thread below illustrates how awesome it has the potential to be.
    Discuss enhancing your Festiva or Aspire interior and exterior (including custom paint, bodywork, seats, etc)

    4. If the car is ever to be raced in a straight line, I have to say turbo power is the way to go. If not, the B6 is a really fun engine and I would say tends to be more fun on the street.
    5. I had a white car and wanted to do something that reflected Ford's small car racing heritage with the exterior. No cliche Mustang stripes for me. After extensive searching I was considering doing a Lotus Cortina-style stripe on the side of my car but I then discovered the Ford/Stewart F1 car. The stripe from that car would be the ultimate accent to what could be a very cool car.

    6. You can use a spec-miata LSD with automatic Festiva halfshafts.
    7. All you need for an adjustable anti-roll bar in the back is a piece of tube with several different mounting points to adjust the length.
    8. Mk3 VW coilovers really look like the way to go for suspension.
    9. It would be really cool to lay the engine down a little bit touring car style to lower the center of gravity. You have to make mounts, why not go all out?

    It's been fun owning the Festiva even if I didn't get to work on it as much as I'd have liked to or get to actually even drive the thing. But it's time to move on and I hope this info helps someone.

  • #2
    A junior member? Seems to have had it long enough to be a senior member by now. As for it being a piece of crap...designed to be one? I disagree! I have owned many so-called nice cars and none were as fun to drive or own or as cheap to operate and maintain. The engineering must have been pretty good for them to have been as durable as they have been and take all the abuse uncaring previous owners gave them. As for any of us taking them too seriously...they are in my heart and soul and I won't apologize for it! Sorry to see you move on...even if you leave halfhearted about the Festiva.

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    • #3
      I liked my car with the ATH style bumpers.

      See ya!
      Simon - pimptiva.com

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      • #4
        Your post was long opinionated and often wrong. annoying really. The fact that you gave up on festivas says it all.
        youtube.com/neanderpaul 88 festiva LX w/BP G25 MR 5 speed waiting for wiring- 93 Festiva GL auto w/ air, waiting for B6t/G4A-HL - 98 Nissan Quest - 02 Mazda protege 5 wife's DD

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        • #5
          He has a lot of knowledge on racing stuff...out of my league! He sure learned a lot real quick! There had to be some devotion to it somewhere. I just can't figure out how you get Festivas in your blood and can ever get it out!

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          • #6
            Some serious mixed messaging coming out of this "farewell thread" (and good riddence?)

            Ford had virtually nothing to do with the design of the festiva (but you probably already knew that?) Like the Scion (for example) the festiva makes a good base point to start with, and what one makes of it is only limited by one efforts, skills and imagination.

            Piece of crap? Any gas powered car capiable of hundreds of thousands of mostly maintainance free driving can't be called such a thing....period. As far as I can tell, rust is the only factor keeping festivas from staying on the road forever.

            Like has been said about old VW's: "They never die, people just stop fixing them."

            ...and you apparently stopped fixing yours. Good for you. I hope your festy was passed on to someone that appreciates what these cars are all about: simplicity, economy, and unlimited modification potential.

            Lastly, whatever vehicle you decide to pin your hopes on for the future will undoubtably have a simular cult following of drivers who think they're the cat's meow--that's just the way it works. This love is hard to understand when you don't belong to that particular "cult" but should be honored all the same.

            Best,
            FX
            Last edited by festyxfi; 01-28-2009, 08:31 PM.
            Because....45 MPG.

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            • #7
              I still say he must be a pretty smart guy! He is obviously very intelligent and focused. He is very busy as he said. I think given the time he would have grown to put all his knowledge to work in getting his car the way he wanted it. But a piece of crap....I NEVER!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by white_fly View Post
                3. Festivas CAN be made to look cool, but not with those retarded FMS bumpers.
                wrong, just wrong.
                -Josh R

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                • #9
                  Looks like he is gone....was kind of like Invasion of the body snatchers!

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                  • #10
                    Bye
                    1989 Red L- The Baron
                    www.letstalkbeatles.com
                    Link to Baron Pics:
                    http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/r...nmervap/Baron/
                    1990 White GL- Chuck (for now)

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                    • #11
                      See ya!
                      -93' L BP swap/e-series, coilovers, RIO front swap, redrilled festy drums, Miata 14" 7 spokes.
                      -88' Mazda 323 SE, work in progress..
                      -85' Nissan Sentra 5 spd.

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                      • #12
                        Well, it didn't sound like he deserved to be here anyway, sounded like he hates Festivas.
                        -Josh R

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by white_fly View Post
                          The wheels must also be done right. I'm not going to name names, but it seems like most Festiva owners just went down to the wheel shop or junkyard and just settled for the only thing that fit. There's really no reason to do this since quality used wheels in the correct sizes tend to be extremely inexpensive on the internet. The VWVortex has a great 4x100 wheels for sale forum. Miata forums are another source. Below are just two examples of the kind of deal that can be had on there.


                          Mesh wheels look good on Festivas (see link below). Minilite/Panasport style wheels also look good on Festivas. I was even thinking about doing some red steel wheels with whitewall tires. Options are really plentiful, but you have to have some sort As with any car, offset is a huge deal and the wheels must match the rest of the car. The ideal wheels would either be Volk TE37s, or my personal favorites, 13" Dymag cast magnesium wheels (HAWT!).
                          heh, am i a part of the settle for what-ever wheels? because those selections look like junkyard wheels, so why offer? i think mesh wheels should stay on European cars. and very few Japanese cars.
                          bye!
                          http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2065064/1
                          Paulbarrera12.com
                          Festiva Visualizer Project

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                          • #14
                            wow all of you calm down that are talking crap about him... its an opion, hes only been around 6 months hes probably seen horible wheels on the festiva's he saw and he though they were junk yard 1's or htey were stock and he thought they were junkyard 1's ... who cares he didn't like the bumperes i also agree the front fms bumbers dont look the greatest... you didn't even get to discuss stuff with him so why are you talking crap about this guy when he's not even here any more. ya ya i guess the festiva's are crap is to far but maybe his was all beaten up with many problems but you cant judge it like he got a brand new festiva with 0 miles
                            1990 Festiva L sport 26.5k miles
                            snow drifting machine
                            sunpro supertach II, racing pedals, new deck, air horn
                            blue neon

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                            • #15
                              Well since you call festiva's a piece of crap, see ya later and don't let the door hit in the a..... bumb on your way out

                              1988 323 Station Wagon - KLG4 swapped
                              1988 323 GT - B6T Powered
                              2008 Ford Escape - Rollover Survivor

                              1990 Festiva - First Ever Completed KLZE swap (SOLD)

                              If no one from the future stops you from doing it, how bad of a decision can it really be?

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