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[anthony h]

anyone know what the max rpm for these engines?

[zoom zoom]

Anyone know how the stock E-series flywheel compares to an F-series or G-series?

Not exactly, but the G series flywheel I have is a monster, probably 20 lbs worth of metal. The E series flywheel is just a baby compared to it. If I can dig up the old E series, I'll try to get some side by side pics tomorrow.

[GenevaDirt]

Seriously....everyone thinks cheating is ok just because you can get away with it or because others are doing it.....seriously?

[neanderpaul]

Not me.

Cheaters can never win. At least you have a chance of winning if you don't cheat.

[Festy46]

same where im thinkin bout runnin. besides, i dont want to cheat just so i can win. I just want to be competitive. If my car is as good as their's, i can out drive them. our track is concreate so i know its nothin like dirt, but what kind of suspension do you run?

We run the Aspire sway bar, front hub assemblies, and complete rear axle assembly. We use Aspire struts with alterations to the mounting holes to give the wheels more camber. If the tech guys don't count spring coils, we use an Aspire spring on the right and a Festiva on the left. If they do count coils, we use both Aspire springs. On the back we use an Aspire strut on the right and a Festiva on the left because of the difference in spring perch height. We use the Festiva springs on the back. We are running 1/4 and 1/3 mile dirt tracks.

As far as engines go, read the rules carefully. One track states "any 4 cylinder, foreign or domestic", while another track specifically states "engine must be make, year, and model stock". The first track doesn't specifically state "make,year, and model stock engine", so slap the biggest 4 cylinder in there you can without being obviously not stock. We have even had a tech guy comment that "we sure had a small engine in there". He was looking at a SOHC 1.8L when he said that. If you stay with a SOHC engine and everybody else is running DOHC engines, it does look like you have a small engine.

[Bert]

GenevaDirt: I'm not particularly enamoured with your quick use of the word "cheat". It implies there is a simple and clearly defined 'black' and a 'white' when it comes to car racing. In any competitive situation anyone serious about winning is striving to cash in on perceived shades of gray and it is the role of track judges and officials to stay right on top of things (ie enforcing specific rules) otherwise gray always has the advantage.

How can a track organization require that entrants use only 'stock cars' and at the same time insist on power caps of 21 lb per hp? That requirement in itself is a complete contradiction. The 'spare no expense' racer is not going to stuff a sock in the intake of his Lotus Super Seven so as to abide.

Even if all the cars were required to be Festys someone inventive would import a Japanese DOHC Festy GTX engine, another cocky and practical guy would simply stuff a boneyard BP under the hood whereas another much more honest fellow (that didn't even dare to be accused of cheating) would meticulously air-induce, double up his valve springs, cam the engine, balance and polish everything and do all kinds of internal modifications so as to get 8500rpm out of his car's visibly stock and original B3.
All the while the integrity-gifted, but naive pilot with grandma's long-time-ago-tuned-up $300 automatic Festy with full gas tank, spare tire in place, upholstery and seats and worn Carlisle trailer tires is choking on dust way out at the back.

[Icedawg]

FestyFreak39 lightened a Festiva for autocross to the point he could beat just about any other car. He skinned the doors, hood, hatch, and just about anything else you can think of and it was very effective. I think he called it the Festarosa. Anyhow, he's writing his final's today, and after partying himself senseless no doubt will be on this forum again. Attract him to this thread to get some suggestions! Or to be more certain, send him a pm.

[Movin]

Im no expert on festiva's, but i am an ase certified auto technician. I have never heard of a lightened flywheel creating any type of engine management problems. A car with a distributor monitors engine speed with it or a crankshaft sensor if it is equiped with one. We have ran mustangs in stock and modified divisions with 2.3l engines for years. we cut the flywheels on them so thin that we weld two throwout bearings together to make the clutch work. Granted we run carbs, but we dont have harmonic issues. Not tryin to be a know it all, but i dont understand how cutting the flywheel would create a problem.

It wont on those cars, this logic is only used on newer cars that can
self diagnose cylinder power levels..the 300 codes. Cams cause more
problems. I only explained because somebody asked...Our cars DO NOT
have this function .

This is common on newer cars, I use it almost daily . Google P0303.

Interpreting the rules is not cheating. Lightening safety equipment is big time cheating.
Racing is supposed to encourage new technology as well as racing skills

[anthony h]

We run the Aspire sway bar, front hub assemblies, and complete rear axle assembly. We use Aspire struts with alterations to the mounting holes to give the wheels more camber. If the tech guys don't count spring coils, we use an Aspire spring on the right and a Festiva on the left. If they do count coils, we use both Aspire springs. On the back we use an Aspire strut on the right and a Festiva on the left because of the difference in spring perch height. We use the Festiva springs on the back. We are running 1/4 and 1/3 mile dirt tracks.

As far as engines go, read the rules carefully. One track states "any 4 cylinder, foreign or domestic", while another track specifically states "engine must be make, year, and model stock". The first track doesn't specifically state "make,year, and model stock engine", so slap the biggest 4 cylinder in there you can without being obviously not stock. We have even had a tech guy comment that "we sure had a small engine in there". He was looking at a SOHC 1.8L when he said that. If you stay with a SOHC engine and everybody else is running DOHC engines, it does look like you have a small engine.

I love how these "honest" people are bashing me for wanting to be competitve. If you dont explore the gray area, then you will never be fast. We have to run against honda preludes that i know are not stock. What are you supposed to do, leave your car bone stock and watch them go around you every few laps? Anyway, do you guys run carbs or fuelinjection? And what about tires and wheels? they dont allow us to cut fenders.

[anthony h]

It wont on those cars, this logic is only used on newer cars that can
self diagnose cylinder power levels..the 300 codes. Cams cause more
problems. I only explained because somebody asked...Our cars DO NOT
have this function .

This is common on newer cars, I use it almost daily . Google P0303.

Interpreting the rules is not cheating. Lightening safety equipment is big time cheating.
Racing is supposed to encourage new technology as well as racing skills

just misunderstood i guess. What do you mean by lightening saftey equipment?

[Bert]

Carbed Festys produced 59hp and EFI cars were rated at 63. If you look at Wikipedia at Mazda B-series engines the author suggests that later cars (Aspires with roller rocker arms?) had 70 hp.

[neanderpaul]

IIRC the aspire has a more restrictive exhaust manifold. Resulting in lower horsepower.

[Festy46]

I love how these "honest" people are bashing me for wanting to be competitve. If you dont explore the gray area, then you will never be fast. We have to run against honda preludes that i know are not stock. What are you supposed to do, leave your car bone stock and watch them go around you every few laps? Anyway, do you guys run carbs or fuelinjection? And what about tires and wheels? they dont allow us to cut fenders.

We use the Escort 1.6L carb and run the Festy carbed distributor on the 1.6 and 1.8 with no computer to worry about. Depending how picky the tech guys are, you can use the front wheel drive style steel wheel from Diamond racing wheels with a 5.5" width rim. If you can't use them (they do look stock appearing), then we use the stock steel Aspire wheels with either 185/70/13 or 185/65/13. 65 series tires in 13" are rare and we aren't allowed to go down to 60 series, so we stay with the more readily available 70 series. The Aspire wheels are assuming you swapped to the Aspire suspension. Aspire wheels won't fit on the Festiva suspension. We're not supposed to cut the body either. What we do is take a pair of tin snips and make cuts every 3 or 4 inches from the bottom edge of the fender up into the side of the fender about 1" to 1-1/2". Then take a pair of big pliers and bend it up inside the fender and pound the bend flat with a hammer and a small anvil block held on the inside of the fender. You haven't cut the fender, you just bent it up under. We've never had a problem with the tech guys by doing this and our rules specifically state "no cutting".

Here's a little inspiration from "the good old days" before guys were running the newer high horsepower cars. As you can see from the date stamp at the beginning, this was July 2005. This was the first time we ever ran a 1.8L 16 valve SOHC engine.

http://users.ISP.com/john48/DD2.mpg

[nitrofarm]

LOL, at most of the small tracks around here, if it's not a small block Chevy they don't have a clue. There are some advantages to running a Ford. If you happen to find one of the few Tech guys that knows Fords, he usually doesn't say anything anyway.

So true-

[nitrofarm]

In my area, we have a local short track, There is a division called pure 4 that requires the car to be stock with a cage and safety equipment. My question is, how much weight can i cut from a festiva? the car can weigh 21 lbs per horsepower and i want to be as close to that as possible.

Remove the Crash Bars & internals from the doors. They have to be the heaviest single item that you can remove. Without structurally degrading the Uni-