Penetrating Oils

[sc72]

When i mixed the two parts and shook the bottle it got thick in the bottle, i then spayed it on the nuts, bolts anywhere i thought it would soak in, when it hit the parts it was like a thick jell and i thought this might work, Nope, any thoughts, comments or concerns are welcome.

[sc72]

Kano was one of my accounts in Nashville for Fastenal. That guy is pretty legit, he is an older guy and loves his business. It is a tiny shop, and he has refused multiple multiple big offers from bigger names. People swear by it, but the price is definitely up there.

Charlie, if you can provide me with this persons info i would appreciate it. thanks

[nitrofarm]

When i mixed the two parts and shook the bottle it got thick in the bottle, i then spayed it on the nuts, bolts anywhere i thought it would soak in, when it hit the parts it was like a thick jell and i thought this might work, Nope, any thoughts, comments or concerns are welcome.

You have to use a torch,the oil can only do so much.Burn the rust,get it cherry hot,cool,wire brush,blow it out with compressed air,then soak it for @ 5 min. Then try busting it loose,if no go repeat the process. Once it busts loose dont just spin it out. Work it back and forth like a tap while applying oil ( I use whatever is in reach). Keep applying oil and working the bolt back and forth till the bolt is completely out. Just because you broke it loose doesnt mean your out of the woods yet. The shank of the bolt gets really built up with rust and wants to keep the bolt from backing out of the threads.

[Charlie1717]

Charlie, if you can provide me with this persons info i would appreciate it. thanks

I can't remember the guys name but here is there website and phone number:

http://www.kanolabs.com/

(615) 833-4101

they sell it direct to customers at a good price (better than most retailers sell it, which they don't like ha). I don't know if he ships orders to non distributors.

[sc72]

You have to use a torch,the oil can only do so much.Burn the rust,get it cherry hot,cool,wire brush,blow it out with compressed air,then soak it for @ 5 min. Then try busting it loose,if no go repeat the process. Once it busts loose dont just spin it out. Work it back and forth like a tap while applying oil ( I use whatever is in reach). Keep applying oil and working the bolt back and forth till the bolt is completely out. Just because you broke it loose doesnt mean your out of the woods yet. The shank of the bolt gets really built up with rust and wants to keep the bolt from backing out of the threads.

I will give it a try, my hold back will be that i have a map gas torch and not a real one. I will try and find a wire brush small enough to fit in that area.

[Movin]

When i mixed the two parts and shook the bottle it got thick in the bottle, i then spayed it on the nuts, bolts anywhere i thought it would soak in, when it hit the parts it was like a thick jell and i thought this might work, Nope, any thoughts, comments or concerns are welcome.

That is weird, what kind of ATF was it ?

[drddan]

I agree, Karl..that is weird. I have a bottle of ATF/Acetone mix I keep around just in case. Works good and it is liquid like the ATF, just a little diluted from the Acetone. It is more than a year old...still good.

[Aspire SVT]

Penetrating Oils

I have a few different concoctions that I use at work. They both work well but the second is less messy.

4 equal parts (75w-140, PB blaster, mercon V and anti seize)

PB blaster drys after a short period so I got the idea to mix it with a thicker bond of gear lube to make it hold on longer, the ATF is also a a great penetrant and the anti sieze will help clean threads and keep them from galling as a fastener is worked loose. It serves me well on a daily basis at work at a ford dealer in the rust belt... Yay.

The second version is the same but in thirds minus the anti seize. Works well for brake bleeders. Soaking Lock cylinders ect.

Sometimes there is no substitute for heat.

Always there is no substitute for patience.

[sc72]

Movin and drdan, i went to Walmart and bought the Walmart brand of trans fluid for this test, so are you guys saying i need to buy a higher grade of fluid, maybe Mobile full synthetic, if it was because i was a cheepskate i will do the test over, still do not have the bolt out, but laying outside on the cold snowy ground tends to make me lazy.

[Movin]

Karl, not sayin but wondering about the jelly result. I am going to mix up some generic dex 6 spec and see what happens..will report back.

The concoction of Aspire svt above sounds real interesting for large car door hinges, in particular the hinges on GM vans and trucks, especially the little s-t bodies. Replace pin bushings in a lot of those.

[Movin]

I mixed up the dex 6 and acetone and played with it on different things until I had conclusive results..







I tried this stuff cleaning parts and on some head bolts on a rover - discovery and it all worked, but nothing I could really get behind. As a cleaner some of these other blends and mixes I played with worked better.









It was fun trying all this stuff, BUT...

A 2013 ford f350 diesel came in the folks were on the way to the oregon state snowmobile convention and there truck picked up a rock in the right rear brake. It was screeching at all speeds and the lady was distraught, would not ride in that truck any further. I am pretty hard of hearing and the noise made me shiver so I really couldn't blame them for insisting I stop what i was doing and go listen to it.

It was in the e-brake portion , the little drum brakes inside the brake rotor...only problem the rotor would not come off. With the caliper out of the way I could whale the tar out of it from both sides of the rotor with my big rubber mallet. I was getting pretty hot from all the swinging of the mallet after 5 minutes or so ; so I got two big ball pean hammers. I put the round part between the lug bolts and hit the two hammers together like I wanted to see metal chips fly. Well , really I didn't want to see my hammers damaged but after a few rounds of going round and round nothing happened. So..I went back to the rubber mallet for awhile and man, I was getting winded!!

Usually it feels good to beat the bajeebers out of something but I didn't need anymore therapy and that is when I thought about this funny red juice that breaks down the ATF into more basic components then blends with some and emulsifies with the rest when shook. Very thin stuff.

I put some on each lug and then hit with the mallet, 1st hit it was loose!! When I pulled the rotor off the mix had penetrated the entire contact surfaces, both the hub and the rotor, I have never seen any penetrant do that before, never! It was crazy, I have done this 100's of times and never seen this kind of penetrating action. So..where penetrant will do good this stuff rocks and is cheap.

A word of caution..I know from taking care of animals that Acetone is a major ingredient for veterinarian liniments because it rapidly penetrates the skin and takes certain other ingredients such as menthol with it. Great sore muscles but anything else there that has a small enough of a molecule structure may be swept through the skin as well. BE CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF !!

[sc72]

Good to hear you had success, i will buy better trans fluid and try again. Did you use a 50/50 blend, i still need to get the strut bolts loose. Caution Acetone is nothing to play with, if your going to use it on a regular basis i recommend using gloves, prolonged use of Acetone on bare skin can and will cause Kidney problems, so be carefull. Do i practice what i preach, yes i do, i handle Acetone almost everyday, I keep a box of Nitrile type gloves with me all the time.

[Movin]

Yes, I used a 50 % blend, then part of the atf separates. When you use it you shake it just before.

Acetone's ability to go right through skin is probably why it works so good.

I would like to try DMSO and whale oil but whale oil is pretty illegal anymore I guess.
That would be the best of the best in both ingredients but what I played with worked
very well.

[FB71]

guys, especially sc72; think about the container you mixed the fluids in! Acetone will dissolve many plastics! Maybe thats why it turned viscous? Also, those lower strut bolts are not a fair test; I have found that they do not simply rust. They experience galvanic corrosion, actually bonding the bolt to the steel sleeve inside the strut bushing. I haven't found anything to break that bond, short of cutting them apart.

[sc72]

Hello FB71 thanks for your thoughts they are always welcome. i understand about the acetone eating the plastic bottle, so when this experiment didnt work i poured the contents out, the spray bottle went to the garbage and the mix went to the recyclers. I know it was a strech to think this would work but hey it's cold outside, i do not have a garage or a torch and yes i was hoping, I know about the bolts and sleeves bonding together thats normal here in the rust belt. I'll see what i can get done when it gets warm outside and that can't be to soon. Thanks all