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    We all know the biggest weaknesses on the g transmission. But has anyone logged the biggest weakness on each oem engine. I'm curious to know what breaks under boost. In s theoretical world where knock didn't exist, how high did you crank your boost up before your engine grenades, and what part was at fault. ?

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    As over-engineered as the B3 seems to be, I would guess it was the most robust. The pistons would probably be the first fail point, but it would take some decent boost to do so, given that the motor is only designed to make 63 HP. Lots of safety overhead.
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    • #3
      My mechanic friend said the b3 rods are as beefy as gm 3800 rods. And those reliably make 30hp per cylinder. It's assumed that all the head gaskets are junk? I assumed that would be the first fail point

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bhearts View Post
        My mechanic friend said the b3 rods are as beefy as gm 3800 rods. And those reliably make 30hp per cylinder. It's assumed that all the head gaskets are junk? I assumed that would be the first fail point
        Well you're right on the HG; I was thinking of major parts breaking. For example, Matthew is making 85 WHP, (verified by dyno), and if I turbo him, I could expect ~130-135 WHP, giving it significantly more HP than a stock BP (torque curve would be interesting to see). I think the block and pistons could handle that quite easily.
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        • #5
          Valves! Every b3 I've acquired cheaply was because of valve work needed.

          Just too small imo

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          • #6
            Always wondered what the limits of the crank would be.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SiliconSoul View Post
              Always wondered what the limits of the crank would be.
              I don't think I have ever heard of anyone breaking a crank, even on a boosted BP like Greg's; so they must be pretty good.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by jason_ View Post
                Valves! Every b3 I've acquired cheaply was because of valve work needed.

                Just too small imo
                They are fine for the intended design (cheap econobox, great MPG), but yes, for any serious HP they are too small and the head is not well-designed, according to Matt D. He also says that the B6 head is designed much better.

                The fact that you get 'em cheap due to needing valve work probably means they didn't get regular oil changes or were high-mileage. Would you say this was true?
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                • #9
                  I dunno milage . Everyone had a broken cable

                  I wasn't aware oil changes improve valve face and valve seat performance. Noted!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jason_ View Post
                    I dunno milage . Everyone had a broken cable

                    I wasn't aware oil changes improve valve face and valve seat performance. Noted!

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                    Infinite smart as. I'd just really like to find the limits of the b bottom ends. No one seems to have found it. Although it's a case by case event. Can't compare two different medium to high mileage boosted vehicles

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                    • #11
                      What if the b3 could support 200whp. Wouldn't everyone feel like they were cutting themselves short by putting in a bigger engine?

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                      • #12
                        The B3's I've torn down or assisted in tearing down had busted/cracked pistons in them. It seems to me that the pistons may be a weak spot. All had at least one bad piston in it.
                        Last edited by Team Lightning; 09-26-2014, 01:04 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bhearts View Post
                          What if the b3 could support 200whp. Wouldn't everyone feel like they were cutting themselves short by putting in a bigger engine?
                          I can't think of a single person on this board near that level of power who would honestly feel that way.
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                          • #14
                            Aaron, I agree. The cost of a 200 HP B3 would be very high. Then you have the reliability issue too.
                            Jerry
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                            92 L Thunder BP G5M-R Turbo B6T electronics. Jan 2016 FOTM winner SOLD
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                            • #15
                              I ment b3 stock form

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