Article on driverless cars

[TominMO]

Robot ethics and self-driving cars:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192492-time-is-running-out-for-ethicists-to-tackle-very-real-robot-quandries

[drddan]

Hack a car? Easy!

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/14-year...222642635.html

[Movin]

Its not still hot wire a car ?

[sketchman]

Hot wireless? lol

You know, there's just something reassuring about physical stuff. This kid could have easily decided to upload the schematics and firmware or whatever he used and instantly every single car that he just hacked is wide open to millions of people with a $20 bill.

[TominMO]

This whole driverless car push is a perfect example of just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done. This kid has done us a great service by showing how simple it would be for widespread and totally unnecessary disaster might happen due to hacking cars. Not to mention the huge limitations placed on us by controlling most people's primary mode of transportation. I trust humans to drive more than a hackable driverless car. Plus the issues with potentially deadly software glitches, resets, and influence by random wifi signals that our cities are swimming in.

[sketchman]

^I have a friend with a Prius. It started randomly freaking out and making turns on its own. Mechanic friend pulled the ABS fuse thinking that maybe the system was the issue. Turns out if you pull that fuse in that car the brakes no longer work. Cause that makes perfect sense, when you're on crack.

So she took it to the dealer who say there is nothing wrong with it.

Deadly glitches indeed.

[drddan]

Cause that makes perfect sense, when you're on crack.

LMAO!

We don't want no sticking driverless cars! Buy apparently the world will want them. Its so cool, ya know!

[drddan]

I don't trust ANY electronic stuff that controls guiding or stopping of cars. Period. Remember the Toyota's that accelerated and couldn't be stopped by pressing on the brakes? Electronic brakes. Electronics fail all the time. This is ok if it controls the running of the engine and stuff like that, but controlling the motion of a car. NO! Electronic steering. NO!
Electronic brakes. NO!

Driverless cars will be electronically controlled. NO!

[TominMO]

^I have a friend with a Prius. It started randomly freaking out and making turns on its own. Mechanic friend pulled the ABS fuse thinking that maybe the system was the issue. Turns out if you pull that fuse in that car the brakes no longer work. Cause that makes perfect sense, when you're on crack.

So she took it to the dealer who say there is nothing wrong with it.

Deadly glitches indeed.

Soooo....if the fuse blows, the car has no brakes?

[sketchman]

^That's what the dealer said.

Sounds insane I know. Really, really, really stupid. But that is what they said. But of course I did mention the crack. They may have been thoroughly elevated.

The brakes not working could have been embellished too. Maybe they default to some in-between state where you can't get fully locked up by only letting you have so much braking? IDK, but it's stupid either way.

[TominMO]

First driverless-car death--Tesla driver killed while using autopilot feature. So the roads are being used as the real-world testbeds for ironing out the inconvenient (deadly) bugs in the various manufacturers' systems.

Moral of the story: treat luxury cars like they are being driven by drunks, and steer clear. In an ironic twist of fate, Festivas are now safer than Teslas and Mercedes.

[Basement_Modder]

First driverless-car death--Tesla driver killed while using autopilot feature. So the roads are being used as the real-world testbeds for ironing out the inconvenient (deadly) bugs in the various manufacturers' systems.

Moral of the story: treat luxury cars like they are being driven by drunks, and steer clear. In an ironic twist of fate, Festivas are now safer than Teslas and Mercedes.

Not quite. This crash officially makes a new statistic possible, and that is deaths per mile driven on autopilot in a Tesla. As it stands, this is one death out of 130 million miles driven with Tesla's autopilot feature. Standard statistics for manually driven cars average one death for every 90 million miles. That makes this "dangerous scary new technology" in its beta-testing infancy already significantly safer then driver operated cars.

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[TominMO]

Not quite. This crash officially makes a new statistic possible, and that is deaths per mile driven on autopilot in a Tesla. As it stands, this is one death out of 130 million miles driven with Tesla's autopilot feature. Standard statistics for manually driven cars average one death for every 90 million miles. That makes this "dangerous scary new technology" in its beta-testing infancy already significantly safer then driver operated cars.

Based on the article, I think it was a combination of the driver having too much confidence in the technology, and was not prepared to intervene when the sensors didn't properly discriminate. But it begs the question--if you have to be prepared to intervene at any time, then why not just drive the (expletive deleted) car?!

[Basement_Modder]

Based on the article, I think it was a combination of the driver having too much confidence in the technology, and was not prepared to intervene when the sensors didn't properly discriminate. But it begs the question--if you have to be prepared to intervene at any time, then why not just drive the (expletive deleted) car?!

Because he had the option to not have to...

Tesla has very explicitly stated that the autopilot feature in their cars is not intended to completely replace all driver input. That being said, every time a driver of a Tesla running on autopilot has to intervene, no driver of any Tesla running on autopilot will ever have to intervene for that exact purpose/ situation again. That's why the Tesla autopilot feature is so far advanced compared to almost any other car manufacturer's. It's self learning in real-world applications. If you're driving your car through a mountain pass and it almost runs into the guardrail, causing you to intervene and jerk it back into the lane, by the next morning's update every Tesla running on autopilot will know that that road curves more sharply then previously expected, and none of them will ever have that problem in that place again.

Now apply that to every single Tesla on every road in America. They learn on manual mode, too. Just not as much.

The feature is getting safer and smarter by the day. And, contrary to something said earlier in this thread, can make emergency lane changes as well.

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[TominMO]

Because he had the option to not have to...

Tesla has very explicitly stated that the autopilot feature in their cars is not intended to completely replace all driver input. That being said, every time a driver of a Tesla running on autopilot has to intervene, no driver of any Tesla running on autopilot will ever have to intervene for that exact purpose/ situation again. That's why the Tesla autopilot feature is so far advanced compared to almost any other car manufacturer's. It's self learning in real-world applications. If you're driving your car through a mountain pass and it almost runs into the guardrail, causing you to intervene and jerk it back into the lane, by the next morning's update every Tesla running on autopilot will know that that road curves more sharply then previously expected, and none of them will ever have that problem in that place again.

Now apply that to every single Tesla on every road in America. They learn on manual mode, too. Just not as much.

The feature is getting safer and smarter by the day. And, contrary to something said earlier in this thread, can make emergency lane changes as well.

Great, wonderful, stupendous. What about software glitches? What about control from outside the car, either by malicious hackers or the govt itself? Designating no-drive zones or shutting cars down?

Meanwhile, we are the guinea pigs. What if one of these cars runs into a human-driven car, or a pedestrian? "Acceptable collateral damage"? So what, the update will be installed tmw.

We. Don't. Need. Self. Driving. Cars.

As always, the efforts toward greater control of our lives, in this case transportation, are disguised in the Trojan horse of more convenience or other benefits for the consumer. How's that Obamacare going these days?

Another case in point is the cashless movement being proposed by the establishment. Again, more control over us. "How convenient to not need cash. How convenient to just use an embedded microchip to prevent ID theft." Never mind that it is a tracking device with a high potential for a localized cancer. And have you heard of bail-ins? When everything is electronic, everything can be controlled. And this system also assumes no computer crashes, of course--accidental or intended. Look what happened when the food-welfare system went down for a week or so in early June.

So, control of our money, health, and transportation. How does that in any way sound like the USA? More like USSA. Wake up, it's part of the control grid.