Article on driverless cars

[Basement_Modder]

First, to address the guinea pig point, you did see the stat that I posted above, correct? The one that said that Tesla's autopilot feature was significantly less likely to kill people than regular drivers? If you get killed by a car, what difference does it make who/ what was operating it? Collateral damage is always going to happen no matter what. Why is it worse to be killed by an automatically driven car vs some drunk guy behind the wheel? Especially when the latter is so much more likely to happen it's not even comparable?

As for the government/ hackers taking control, that can already be done with manually driven cars. Chrysler's system was found to be vulnerable over a year ago, and fortunately the people who cracked it chose to inform Chrysler about this so they could patch the software. These people could disable everything in the car, from steering to brakes, remotely.

As for the obamacare thing, you can thank the pharmaceutical and insurance industries for its problems. Under the original proposed bill, the FDA would have been able to negotiate lower drug prices, and insurance companies would have been barred from raising rates unnecessarily. Lobbyists from both forced those provisions out, then had the balls to blame the (now shell of a) bill for rising rates.

If you think the government being controlled by special interests, or the government needlessly controlling people doesn't sound like the United States (even historically), you don't know your own country.

Sent from my LG-D950 using Tapatalk

[TominMO]

1. If you get killed by a car, what difference does it make who/ what was operating it? Collateral damage is always going to happen no matter what. Why is it worse to be killed by an automatically driven car vs some drunk guy behind the wheel? Especially when the latter is so much more likely to happen it's not even comparable?

2. As for the government/ hackers taking control, that can already be done with manually driven cars. Chrysler's system was found to be vulnerable over a year ago, and fortunately the people who cracked it chose to inform Chrysler about this so they could patch the software. These people could disable everything in the car, from steering to brakes, remotely.

3. As for the obamacare thing, you can thank the pharmaceutical and insurance industries for its problems. Under the original proposed bill, the FDA would have been able to negotiate lower drug prices, and insurance companies would have been barred from raising rates unnecessarily. Lobbyists from both forced those provisions out, then had the balls to blame the (now shell of a) bill for rising rates.

4. If you think the government being controlled by special interests, or the government needlessly controlling people doesn't sound like the United States (even historically), you don't know your own country.

1. Who will be held accountable when driverless cars kill someone? Are you aware, for example, that vaccine makers can't be sued? This type of legislation will be passed for driverless-car manufacturers too. Another point: if a driverless car kills someone you love, how casual will you be about collateral damage? So many people are numb to the suffering of people they don't know.

2. This just proves my point. Why are systems, such as WiFi, built into cars that then makes them hackable? Oh right, we "need" them for our convenience. Can Festivas or Aspires be hacked from the outside, short of an EMP event? Since we pretty much all carry cell phones, why does our car need to be a cell phone we drive? We can get along fine without having to be electronically connected to people 24/7; calling while driving really isn't necessary. Humanity has done without cell phones for 99.99% of its existence.

3. Obamacare was passed by corrupt people in Congress, and Obama signed it. No one who really cared for this country would have voted for it, regardless of pressure (bribes/threats) from Big Pharma and their lobbyists. The govt is where the blame ultimately lies.

4. I'm fully aware of corruption over the decades and centuries. It is why the people who founded this country put in checks and balances, to try to stop or hamper the easy corruptibility of so many people who seek political power. But they also knew that an informed citizenry and free press were essential ingredients to keep the scoundrels "honest" (or at least keep them somewhat reined in); and we now have neither. So the corruption merry-go-round goes on at full speed, and the control grid tightens. But there are strong hopeful signs that this tide is turning......

[TominMO]

Addendum to the above post:

Not only control of health care, money and transportation, but also communication. Relatively few people have land lines anymore. So any time they want to, the govt can just order cell towers shut down, under some trumped-up false flag emergency. The level of central control in our country strongly resembles late-1930s Germany; and we all know (or should know) who was in charge then.

If the powers-that-be control us in so many ways--are we not in a virtual prison? Having only the illusion of autonomy, and plenty of distractions to keep us pacified?

[TominMO]

Tricking driverless cars.

[likeJIF]

https://nibt.education/technology_details/Smart-Roads

https://www.infowars.com/researchers-trick-self-driving-cars-into-ignoring-stop-signs/

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/01/19/smart.roads/index.html

I mean if you are going to have smart cars that drive themselves, why not have smart roads, smart signs, etc. Like you say they lead the way for the governments (local, state, federal) to track or manipulate what and how you do something. I can fore see lots more of this type of stuff happening, I mean just look at the story of the employees getting chipped and the employer throwing a chipping party.

[TominMO]

Driverless cars and smart roads are a means to control our movement and know our location--and what we are saying. Also, the authorities would easily be able to shut off no-go zones with a few keystrokes.

People need to be aware that when the powers that be are selling something to us as being for our own good, it's actually for controlling us. The control aspect kicks in about five or ten chess-moves down the line, and people generally can't see it coming. Driverless cars, single-payer health care, medical records in the cloud, never-ending welfare checks, $15/hour minimum wage, public education and universities as indoctrination to create no-skills SJWs, divide and control us into little warring groups, etc etc etc.

[TominMO]

Driverless shuttle involved in crash on first day in service in Las Vegas. Hundreds killed. What if the shuttle was equipped with...a bumpstock?! Or even worse, a silencer?!?!?! Thousands might have died.

Ban all guns now. Except the guns of the elites' bodyguards, and mine. Once criminals, the deranged, and jihadists (a subset of deranged) see we are disarmed, they will have no further interest in attacking us.

[tooldude]

If you consider how these types of issues always progress, you will realize that non-electronically controlled vehicles will be banned from the roads some time in the future because they are "dangerous", "unsafe", "hazards", etc. - rather outdated obstacles that interfere with the system, driven by un-American, radical protesters, communists, and dummies who can't "move forward". Hello outrageously expensive conversion kit, or Bye-Bye Festiva!

[TominMO]

If you consider how these types of issues always progress, you will realize that non-electronically controlled vehicles will be banned from the roads some time in the future because they are "dangerous", "unsafe", "hazards", etc. - rather outdated obstacles that interfere with the system, driven by un-American, radical protesters, communists, and dummies who can't "move forward". Hello outrageously expensive conversion kit, or Bye-Bye Festiva!

Under Obama's third term, AKA Hitlery, that would be true. But the whole Trump/MAGA paradigm shift has thrown a yuge monkey wrench into the proceedings. I don't see the globalist total-control agenda surviving; in fact it dies more every day as more people get a clue. Which is obviously happening since we did get Trump in, despite all the dead people and illegals voting Democrat.

Europeans are also getting fed up with EU central control and the controlled invasion of Muslim military-age men, who don't assimilate, don't work, and therefore are on state welfare and have nothing to do with their time, to keep them out of trouble.

Also, part of the globalist plan is to have us all centralized in cities, with most of the US declared illegal for habitation. Again, seriously doubt that will happen. So even if there is some push in heavily-controlled Democrat cities for self-driving cages, I mean cars, controlled-access routes, etc, it wouldn't filter out into the countryside.

I will no longer buy a new car, specifically because they are control-grid machines, and can be dangerously hacked. Also BTW, 5G wifi radiation is unhealthy. I'm looking at buying cars made no later than about 2009.

[ryanprins13]

If you consider how these types of issues always progress, you will realize that non-electronically controlled vehicles will be banned from the roads some time in the future because they are "dangerous", "unsafe", "hazards", etc. - rather outdated obstacles that interfere with the system, driven by un-American, radical protesters, communists, and dummies who can't "move forward". Hello outrageously expensive conversion kit, or Bye-Bye Festiva!

I dont quite agree with tominmo, Canada is much more socialist than the usa and i think regular cars will be banned here before the usa. I found this back when i saw what you said. I wrote this almost 3 years ago, just to see how my predictions would turn out. I have some different ideas now, but this is exactly what i wrote 3yrs ago:


-Volvos goal is a car you cant die in by 2020, they have seats that collapse in a collision. I think that by 2025 at the latest cars will have expirey dates. You will either have to trash the whole car or replace major components.
-i think that the new safety features- keeping you in your lane, braking for you, reading speed limit signs, telling you if your falling asleep... Will cause more accidents than they prevent by either failing or causing people to be so complacent that they pay less attention.
- all the cameras in the mirrors and grilles are going to make cars far more expensive to fix after minor collisions. Insurance rates will go up and more cars will be written off even sooner for minor collisions.
- electric cars will eventually have better batteries and be able to go a decent distance. There will be charging stations at every gas station and the government will give rebates to buy them even though they will probably still pollute more through the mining for the batteries.
- the gas engine powering front wheels and electric in the back idea wont work long term as the computers controlling the 2 will make mistakes causing unintentional acceleration or using only one or the other and not the one you want.
-self driving cars will be pushed hard and fast. They will eventually work well in cities but never for a farmer who wants to drive through a field, oilfield, forestry or anyone who wants to go anywhere with an unmapped road. Cars will be hacked and road sensors switched/vandalized. They will not work well side by side with regular drivers at all. People will be killed by self driving cars but we will be told its ok and its not the self driving cars fault and everyone will be safer if there are no regular cars. Legislation will be passed to outlaw any car thats not self driving from the road. Then you wont be able to speed, drift, off road, have fun. If someone in power doesn't want you to go somewhere you wont be able to, you will always be tracked and voices recorded.

- gas engines will become almost exclusively turbo/ supercharged and the otto cycle will become much less common
- cars will become more and more electronic and because electronics will be pushed for smaller and faster all the time they will keep breaking.



Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk

[TominMO]

Ryan, I was speaking only from the perspective of the USA, so I don't think we are in much if any disagreement. You may well be right about what goes on in Canada, and the timeline.

Agree that all those new sensors, which take responsibility away from the driver to actually fully pay attention to driving, are a disaster waiting to happen. And making cars so much more complicated will certainly cause them to be totaled by the insurance company even when fairly new, true.

I don't buy that self-driving cars will work well, i.e. be sufficiently fail-safe compared to actual human drivers to reduce annual traffic fatalities, for example. And I still say that just like vaccines, legislation will be passed exempting the auto manufacturers from liability.

Important Point One: no one needs self-driving cars! Just pay attention and behave responsibly when driving. I saw an TV ad a year ago or so showing some stupid daydreaming beta-male trendy having his car alert him to drifting from the lane, and in another incident performing an emergency braking procedure to avoid hitting a pedestrian. At the end, he continued his smug non-attention instead of thinking, crap I better get my act together. This ad really pissed me off. The agenda is that we turn over control. This is inherently dehumanizing.
Important Point Two: they are being pushed because it is another way to control us. Just as cell phone towers can be shut off by the govt, you can be sure this can be done to self-driving cars too. The back doors will be engineered into the system. You can only go where they will permit you to go. On top of this, there are malignant hackers who would do this just for fun.....

[TominMO]

Ethical decisions and self-driving cars. If they are programmed to kill the driver and occupants in certain no-win situations, would you be so willing to buy one?

Why we need self-driving cars. ;-) Ummmm....on second thought, let's not have them, and instead reduce the gene pool of these types of people.

[ryanprins13]

Ryan, I was speaking only from the perspective of the USA, so I don't think we are in much if any disagreement. You may well be right about what goes on in Canada, and the timeline.

Agree that all those new sensors, which take responsibility away from the driver to actually fully pay attention to driving, are a disaster waiting to happen. And making cars so much more complicated will certainly cause them to be totaled by the insurance company even when fairly new, true.

I don't buy that self-driving cars will work well, i.e. be sufficiently fail-safe compared to actual human drivers to reduce annual traffic fatalities, for example. And I still say that just like vaccines, legislation will be passed exempting the auto manufacturers from liability.

Important Point One: no one needs self-driving cars! Just pay attention and behave responsibly when driving. I saw an TV ad a year ago or so showing some stupid daydreaming beta-male trendy having his car alert him to drifting from the lane, and in another incident performing an emergency braking procedure to avoid hitting a pedestrian. At the end, he continued his smug non-attention instead of thinking, crap I better get my act together. This ad really pissed me off. The agenda is that we turn over control. This is inherently dehumanizing.
Important Point Two: they are being pushed because it is another way to control us. Just as cell phone towers can be shut off by the govt, you can be sure this can be done to self-driving cars too. The back doors will be engineered into the system. You can only go where they will permit you to go. On top of this, there are malignant hackers who would do this just for fun.....

When i ssid they would eventually work well what i envisioned at the time was that they would be made to 'work', become standard within 10yrs after that, become law perhaps 5-10 years later and 30-40years after becoming the only type of car you could buy they would work well in a city, but still not anywhere else. Kind of the same progress we had with airbags and abs.

About your point 1 - in my utopian world self driving cars are needed
There is a problem and self driving cars are being proported as a solution. I think they are not a solution at all. The problem being driver error causing crashes.

My solution is to make a real drivers test. One you have to actually know how to drive to pass. Still let 14 or 16 yr olds start driving easily like we do now so they get some experience. Once youve had a license 5yrs you need to take a test that takes some skill to pass. Every 10yrs after that you need to take it again. If you dont pass a test you can try again. Before every test you take some in class drivers ed. If you fail the drivers test you do in class drivers ed as well as in vehicle drivers ed. If you cause a collision you take a drivers training course. If you do something really dumb like killing a bunch of people while texing or drive drunk or do 60 or more kmh over rhe limit or show some massive lack of regard for the safety of others you loose your license.
Anyone without a drivers license takes public transport or has a self driving car.
Public transport will never be good enough for what i would like to see.

Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk

[TominMO]

Usually the problem isn't people not actually knowing how to drive (except maybe for recent immigrants from countries where no one has a car), but in people being irresponsible--drinking, texting, just not wanting to obey, etc etc. No driving test is gonna fix that. But certainly a comprehensive driving test would be helpful, especially regarding senior citizens driving. Other senior citizens, not me.....

[lessersivad]

Tom,

My take on the 2nd article posted is this when it comes to drunk driving, or for that matter under the influence of any sort of drugs. Also texting could fall into this category.

1st offense= loss of license for a year.
2nd offense= loss for 5 years.
3rd offense=prison time of not less than 5 years and permanent national loss of driving privileges.
4th offense= shot on sight.

Also if ANYTIME someone has lost their license for the above periods of time and are caught driving, whether sober or not, the 4th offense punishment shall be used.