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  • '89 Lx Carb'd 5-Speed Spark Issue

    I am in contact with FB71 and, hopefully, mechanicalDJ, on this prob I have, but I thought I'd bring it to the Forum and see if anybody has any ideas. I'd really to solve this issue because I think it would make for awesome education for fellow carb'd members.

    I bought the car not running. It was owned by a mechanic who had replaced virtually every ignition part several times; I have the extra parts as pseudo-proof. I guess he had replaced everything except the distributor itself, and I now own 3 of them if that ends up being the problem.

    Car is not getting any spark to the spark plugs. No Spark at the coil either. I ran a couple coil tests and determined that the existing coil was bad. I replaced it with a coil that tested good and the car started right up.

    As I went to adjust the idle, the car died. No Spark, again. I removed the wires from the coil, cleaned them, removed the suppressor in case it was shorting out and the car started right up. Within a minute, the car acted like it lost power twice, then died. No Spark.

    FB71 said it might be an ignition switch issue. I was talking to ElCamino1 when he said I could do a "back alley" test that would tell me if the switch was the problem. Took a test light, hooked (-) to battery and ran a 2 clipped jumper wire from (-) of coil to pointer on the test light. This allowed me to put the test light on the windshield so I could see the light from inside the car. I turned the key to the "on" position, test light lit up, then wiggled the key. The light stay on constantly, so I saw no reason, at least from that test, that the ignition switch is bad.

    I then read and re-read and re-read FB71 notes to me. He said the coil, when the starter is turning over, should have constant power to the (-) and a pulsating current to the (+) of the coil. I believe he said that when the test light is "off" during the pulsating is when the coil fires to the distributor. At least that is what I think he said. Anyways, when I turn the motor over, I have constant current on both sides of the coil.

    To me, that says something is not "switching" in the distributor. Now, does anybody know how to test the distributor to see if it is bad? Or any other tests I need to run to narrow down things?

    When I get this resolved, I will do a complete write-up on it to help others.

    Thanks in advance.
    ENFORCER - Midwest Festiva Inc., Iowa

    #1 '90 Sport to modified Lx - RollazX
    #2 .....Cheesehead
    #3 '91 White - Donor Car
    #4 .....Montana Project
    SOLD----Levistiva for $1500
    Bought her back for $450
    Now that's darn near priceless!!

  • #2
    I would say the module in the distributor is bad from what you have said, I had one that would sometimes idle for 5 to 10 mins, then just die and not restart for a few days, then it would start and run for a few seconds then die again. Messed with it for a few weeks, finally broke down,bought a new module and have had no trouble with it since.
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    • #3
      Yes I'd take the ignition control module (transitorized points) to a parts store which tests them for free. The ICM senses the rotation of the cam shaft and sends a pulse to the coil when it's time to fire a spark plug, or something like that. Input to the ICM is from the distributor shaft, output to the coil. No pulse, no spark.
      Original owner of silver grey carburetted 1989 Festiva. 105k km as of June 2006. 140k km as of June 2021.

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      • #4
        Well, I swapped the distributor because the mechanic I purchased it from had put in 2 or 3 different icm's. Law of Averages kept me from thinking that was the problem, but I realize anything is possible.

        Car started right up, was only 2 degrees off on the timing, so I adjusted that a smidge and runs like a champ.

        A couple things to remember if you do this.

        Mark a reference point from the distributor housing to the motor. I put a mark on the "adjusting plate"(where the top bolt goes through for adjusting) of the distributor pointed at a factory seam or corner on the cylinder head.

        I didn't mark the rotor, but I made a note that rotor was pointing down. that way I prevented being 180 degrees off.

        Then, after I pulled the "old" distributor, I put another mark on the "new" distributor, at about the same location on the "adjusting plate". That got me in the ball park. And, as noted above, after zapping it with the timing light, I was only 2 degrees off.

        p.s.
        I made sure I unplugged the hose from the vacuum advance and plugged the hose before I timed it.
        ENFORCER - Midwest Festiva Inc., Iowa

        #1 '90 Sport to modified Lx - RollazX
        #2 .....Cheesehead
        #3 '91 White - Donor Car
        #4 .....Montana Project
        SOLD----Levistiva for $1500
        Bought her back for $450
        Now that's darn near priceless!!

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        • #5
          Out of 4 carburetors I tested, only 1 was good, and it wasn't mine

          I do have a carb'd distributor if you need one for future reference.

          I hope you get it fixed!

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          • #6
            Must have been the pickup low down on the distributor rotor.
            I've read they can be replaced.
            Original owner of silver grey carburetted 1989 Festiva. 105k km as of June 2006. 140k km as of June 2021.

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