Air Filter question

[4cylDreadnaught]

Anyone know of how hard it would be to convert to one of those cone type air filters (I dislike box type filters)? I have a fule injected 1.3L engine

[gomer]

1.) it would be a rather ugly install as it would have to be grafted onto the box where the current filter resides...
2.) it wouldn't make any additional horsepower.. may even make less if it draws from the engine compartment rather than the fender or ahead of the radiator.
3.) it would cost more..

[4cylDreadnaught]

1.) it would be a rather ugly install as it would have to be grafted onto the box where the current filter resides...
2.) it wouldn't make any additional horsepower.. may even make less if it draws from the engine compartment rather than the fender or ahead of the radiator.
3.) it would cost more..

not after more hp (a potential decrease is worrisome)

and I was thinking of having it sitting on plane in the hood, pointed to the front (rather that pointed up).

either that use some tube to make the air intake at the back of the hood (like Gen1 Hummers)

ultimately I'm looking for a way to make it harder for it to inhale water

[gdawgs]

WHY?????? Do you plan on driving through 3 feet of water or something. Just leave it the way it is. You'd be wasting your time on a mod like this. Silly.

[Guest]

lol hell make stacks.. intake on 1 side exhaust on the other.. spray all electrics with some kind of gel sealer and you're ready to get stuck in a mudhole at the bottom of that same 3 foot of water....

[gomer]

ultimately I'm looking for a way to make it harder for it to inhale water

I've crossed many streams in my 1997 Pride , road repair is slow in Mindanao ... never had a problem... in fact if I tried to go through anything deeper the car might float away... and I'm sure the electronics would short out ... you'll have to seal everything very well...

[4cylDreadnaught]

ultimately I'm looking for a way to make it harder for it to inhale water

I've crossed many streams in my 1997 Pride , road repair is slow in Mindanao ... never had a problem... in fact if I tried to go through anything deeper the car might float away... and I'm sure the electronics would short out ... you'll have to seal everything very well...

it's not depth of water that the concern, but the splash. water splash killed my last fes, and also killed a friend's escort.

my other idea is to run a tube from the intake on the box to an small scoop on the hood.

[gdawgs]

And you are positive that it was water through the intake that killed the engine? First, the chances of it getting up there probably aren't that good, second, you'd have to get a lot of water up there before it would ruin the engine. First off, the filter would absorb some. Also, a little water through the intake won't hurt anything. Some engines actually came with "water injection" where they purposely injected water right into the manifold(actually a pretty good amount too). And some people add water injection systems to their cars. The water help with cooling in certain types of engines to prevent pre-detonation(not necessary on a Festy though). The Germans used water injection in some of their WWII planes.

In my opinion, I think it's unlikely that water through the intake killed your engine. Water in the crankcase perhaps?

[4cylDreadnaught]

And you are positive that it was water through the intake that killed the engine? First, the chances of it getting up there probably aren't that good, second, you'd have to get a lot of water up there before it would ruin the engine. First off, the filter would absorb some. Also, a little water through the intake won't hurt anything. Some engines actually came with "water injection" where they purposely injected water right into the manifold(actually a pretty good amount too). And some people add water injection systems to their cars. The water help with cooling in certain types of engines to prevent pre-detonation(not necessary on a Festy though). The Germans used water injection in some of their WWII planes.

In my opinion, I think it's unlikely that water through the intake killed your engine. Water in the crankcase perhaps?

the car came to an abrupt jerking stop, engine off. undid the plugs, turned the crank and got a shot with enough water to soak my shirt. and I couldn't turn it more that about 90 in total. hearty amounts of water in the filter and the tube from filter to engine. how the hell it managed to suck that much water while going under 10mph, hell if I know.

[gdawgs]

Well you got me. How deep was the water? I would have to think that this is pretty rare. Unless it was really deep, and if that's the case you shouldn't be driving through it.

[Guest]

My cone filter on my CAI is kind of low and has sucked up water before.. the B3 engine died and wouldn't restart.. removed a plug and virtually the same thing happened.. luckily it was about a block from the house.. I pushed it into the garage and removed all the plugs.. cranked the water out the best I could, then put a little atf in each cylinder, pulled the disty cleaned and sprayed with wd-40, also sprayed wd-40 inside the tb, replaced the dead vaf meter, replaced the plugs she fired right up smoked a little from the atf and ran fine. I made a trip from Houston to Detroit then another trip from Houston to Arizona no smoking or ploblems.. I still have the engine in the garage from when I swapped the B6 in...

I still have the CAI on the B6 but have installed an inline vacuum breaker between the vaf meter and filter to stop that from happening again, but it's still too low. I am in the process of redoing the CAI so that the VAF meter and vacuum breaker sit as close to the hood as possible.

[gdawgs]

OK maybe I'm just dumb, but what's a CAI?

[Guest]

CAI = Cold Air Intake

TB = Thottlebody

[4cylDreadnaught]

xpnsyd, got some pictures of your setup?

[Guest]

not new ones with the vacuum breaker, but the rest are here

http://www.fordfestiva.com/members/Technostiva/engine.htm

I bought the AEM 2-3/4" bypass valve. (what I call a vacuum breaker)

http://store1.yimg.com/I/ntnsracing_1861_78923355

I also ended up using a small plastic trash can to fab an extension for the abs inner wheel wells (not pictured). But I still won't drop that sucker in a foot of water, even if I have to park it on high ground and wait for the water to go down.. But again if I move the vaf/bpvalve up, any accidental water wading won't kill the car..