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  • best spark plugs for a '91 F/I Festiva 5-speed?

    I'd guess I'm getting close to the 10-15,000 mile range on the most recent set of spark plugs on my '91 fuel-injected Festiva L 5-speed;(170,000 total miles; all with MOBIL ONE, or now NAPA's synthetic which is cheaper) and have been thinking of pulling the plugs to clean and gap them since the mileage seems to be falling off a little in the 200 mile round trips from here to Seattle I'm making two or three times a month.(the cap and wires were changed with this set of plugs)

    Now hovering around the 37 mpg area or a slight bit more, which considering there are only a couple of long not too high grades, other wise all flat interstate freeway much of which has a 60 mph speed limit; I'd of expected to maybe get 5 mpg better mileage driving.*

    What I was thinking of was how in any car I've had, that a preference seemed to exist amongst people and mechanics in particular; for a certain brand and model of spark plug for each different make and model car.

    I'm wondering if anyone would like to give their dissertations so to speak; on which plugs have proven best in Festivas, and particularly fuel-injected models like my '91 L 5-speed?

    The ones I have now were the brand recommended at the KRAGENS auto parts store; which were the least expensive of the various "name" brands they'd sold which would fit my car.(NGKs I'm nearly certain)

    Though if anyone felt I'd get better service out of a more expensive type I'd certainly experiment. One thing I do notice is over time the gap spreads and needs to be readjusted.

    The plugs on the '66 VW "square-back" sedan I had a dozen years seemed to never go bad if I'd keep cleaning them and gapping them;(the electrodes never changed shape or deteriorated) which I'd only replaced because this wasn't very expensive and I'd worried they could not last indefinitely even if seeming to?(always getting the standard BOSCH plugs)



    *Or maybe even more, since 45 mpg+ has been known in quite similar conditions during an "ideal" drive; with 155 R-13 tires multiplying x 1.03 to get what I feel is an accurate figure out of the odometer.(my notion of what is accurate since others even with GPS make conflicting claims to each other; let alone my own, I figure simply from highway & road map mileage figures, odometer checks of the five mile variety, drive through digital speed checks, etc.)
    Last edited by bobstad; 03-22-2009, 07:10 PM.
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    • #3
      standard stock plugs for the car
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      • #4
        Sorry can't help much on the plugs but do you remember the price of the NAPA synthetic oil? I have an oil change due on one of my cars and I was gong to buy Mobil 1.

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        • #5
          any name brand copper core plug ACCEPT autolite. ( i prefer AC Delco, Denso, NGK and Champion)
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          • #6
            Anyone ever try Bosch Platinums? I just got a set of those, but have not installed them yet.
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            • #7
              Throw those Bosches in the trash. Thats about what theyre worth. I tried them on 2 different vehicles and the results were no improvements for the cost and on one vehicle it actually got worse and then after less than 2000 miles one plug failed.
              Go with some Motorcrafts or NGKs
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              • #8
                mechanicalDJ educated me on this back when we conversed. No to Bosch. And I think he said just use a standard plug, like what came in them originally.

                I used Bosch, before talking to George, and found that I lost gas mileage.
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                • #9
                  My 1990 ran good on Bosch Platinum. I believe it still has them in it.
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                  • #10
                    get some NGK's... BPR6ES-11




                    if your engine burns a lot of oil get the hotter plug BPR5ES-11.
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                    • #11
                      At 10-15K miles, I wouldn't even think of touching them to start with. As long as the heat range is correct, I've never seen any difference between brand name plugs. None. That includes Motorcraft, Autolite, Champion, AC and NGK.

                      I think your engine calls for copper plate. Not sure but if it's copper, use copper and get the heat range right and that's the best you'll get.

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                      • #12
                        Wonder what the difference besides price might be?

                        Originally posted by mattswabb View Post
                        Sorry can't help much on the plugs but do you remember the price of the NAPA synthetic oil? I have an oil change due on one of my cars and I was gong to buy Mobil 1.
                        I was in the local NAPA store a couple weeks ago, and their fully synthetic oil normally $4.99 a quart was going for $3.29 on sale.(only a couple quarts left on the shelf I grabbed though now I wish I'd of stocked up or gotten a rain check, since I didn't check to see if they had more on hand; as I'd been distracted and riding my ten-speed)

                        With MOBILE ONE's extended mileage type edging closer to $8 a quart here the last time I checked.
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                        • #13
                          Happy Trails everyone!

                          Oh, and thanks everyone for all the good advice about spark plugs.

                          I'll keep cleaning and gapping the ones in my car now; which is what I think is really needed for the moment.(with the drive from here to Seattle such a good chance to monitor performance in a consistent situation, I should be able to see almost instantly what if any changes are effected)

                          My guess is as long as both electrodes are in good shape and the car seems to be running fine, then I should be able to keep using the same plugs?

                          Does anyone else notice over time that the gaps widen on their plugs, would be my final question?(there has been some fairly rare overheating as the thermostat for the cooling fan has never been functional; though now I know to pull the connector to turn the fan on in traffic, like during the drives into Seattle where "grid-lock" is so common, both on the interstate and in city driving)
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                          • #14
                            Fix the OEM switch. If not at least run a wire and switch into the cabin to ground the fan relay from the driver's seat. Also running the fan when you don't really need it will consume extra gas on these tiny engines. Before i did a tuneup on the aspire i could almost stall the car by turning the headlights off and on. Gaps CAN widen over time. On older cars there is a threshold involved. You probably know this better than i do. They run better larger than oem specs but not for long, especially if the rest of the ignition is unhealthy. How old are your plug wires? Wires last much longer than plugs but not if they have been exposed to extra heat and chemical splashes.

                            As far as oil shopping, Wal-mart seems to be changing their lineups and I've been scoring 5 quart jugs of different brands for $15.00-$18.00. Can't beat that when their price for Valvoline blend is $14.00. I do the oil in 6 different cars, 2 families worth, so price is an issue. (The leftover in all the jugs sometimes is enough to change a ~3.5 quart sump lol)
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                            • #15
                              Champions....change them every year or 12K what ever come first. They are cheap enough. Same for rotor and cap.

                              I used to change wires every year also...the cheapest set I could get...to many problems...now I use the expensive silicone wires and change them every 24K or 2 years.
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