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    on my 1991 delta 88 oldsmobile ive lost half of my fuel economy over say the last 6 months its been slowly getting worse. Most of the time I owned it (3 years now) it got 11.76KM/L, right now its getting about 5.88KM/L my wife drives it hard and gets even less mileage I drive like a grandma nice and gentle on my car hehe. I was looking at this huge list to try and narrow it down.

    ENGINE

    - Compression: face your fears, it could be a bad engine
    - Oil: maintenance item, part of basic tune up, dirty oil bad for fuel economy, can try lighter weight (0W-30) to minimally increase fuel economy (high mileage synthetic 5w-30, 3 months overdue for oil change)
    - Throttle Position Sensor (TPS): influences fuel trim
    - Knock Sensor: can retard timing if malfunctioning
    - Coolant Temperature Sensor: influences fuel trim, on startup, cold engines need rich mixture, if malfunctioning you will always run rich, wasting fuel
    - Thermostat: if stuck open, engine will remain too cool, failing to reach ideal operating temp; you can actually buy thermostats with a higher opening temp (stock is 170 for 5g, higher ones available at 180) to keep engine at higher temp, increasing efficiency (but possibly increasing wear to other components through increased heat exposure, eg, the cooling system)


    ELECTRICAL
    - Grounds: if corroded, weakened spark, incomplete burning, poor efficiency
    - Ignition coil: if on its way out, won't ramp up voltage for spark plugs, get poor spark
    - Ignition Timing: check it
    - Distributor Cap and Rotor: wear item, part of basic tune up (points system)
    - Distributor: check it (points system)
    - Spark plugs: wear item, part of basic tune up (replaced within 15000km)
    - Spark plug wires: wear item, part of basic tune up (replaced within 15000km)


    AIR
    - Filter: wear item, part of basic tube up, clean or replace it (replaced within 10000km, on a side note, new air filter causes engine to bog down in the rain.)
    - MAP Sensor (Mass Airflow): influences fuel trim
    - PCV valve
    - EGR valve
    - EGR intake ports
    - Throttle body, IACV
    - Catalytic Converter: check if blocked (not blocked)
    - Primary Oxygen Sensor: influences fuel trim (replaced within 20000km)


    FUEL
    - Fuel Tank: can be dirty or contaminated
    - Fuel Pump: on its way out equals low fuel pressure
    - Fuel Filter (replaced within 20,000km)
    - Fuel Pressure Regulator
    - Fuel Injectors: dirty, clogged, stuck open


    TIRES/BRAKES
    - Tire Pressure: this is huge, just check them, you'll be surprised (keep my tires inflated at 40 psi)
    - Alignment: check it (alignment is good but lower and upper ball joints need replacing)
    - Brakes: check for drag (brakes newly installed within 20000km)

    I would like your opinion as to where I should Start in this giant escapade of fuel economy I dont like to take my vehicles to mechanics and I think my car is in such shape they probably wouldnt let me leave the station with it either way hehe.

    engine oil change is overdue by a few months and same for my tranny liquids.


    this is my primary car atm but with its current condition will be my secondary car when I get my little blue festie on the road in a month or so (struts and tie rods and good to go!)

    right now when driving it its fine for in town driving, but after about 45 mins of highway driving it starts to knock and misfire and surge, also has troubles keeping the cruise control on if we get to a hill or a gust of wind it will kick off cruise control. has a hard time going up hills lately.

    thank you in advance
    Last edited by hermit; 10-12-2009, 02:26 PM.

  • #2
    Is it carburator or EFI. You could need your carburator rebuilt. Your jets may be wearing and you could be getting more or less air mixture.
    Thom-Lifes too short, don't blink
    93 Festiva (Little Red Truck)
    01 F-150 (Big Red Truck)

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    • #3
      its EFI sorry forgot to mention that ><

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      • #4
        Replace the fuel filter and clean the injectors, then drive a festiva!!!
        -Greg
        Euro-bprt...WORLDS FASTEST FESTIVA !!! 11.78@115.9
        BP, G trans, Megasquirt/ 550cc inj. t3/t3 (tbird) Garrett, REAR TURBO!!!! AND AC!!!!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by eurotiva View Post
          Replace the fuel filter and clean the injectors, then drive a festiva!!!
          I wouldn't waste the money on the filter or injector cleaner
          Missed your opportunity, for "cash for clunkers" here in the US.
          Program were by people too stupid to drive a car that gets reasonable MPG are rewarded by those of us who do via our government.

          Get a festiva and start banking some money.
          Your fuel cost have got to be higher than even here in the US.
          '93 Blue 5spd 230K(down for clutch and overall maintanence)
          '93 White B6 swap thanks to Skeeters Keeper
          '92 Aqua parts Car
          '93 Turquoise 5spd 137K
          '90 White LX Thanks to FB71

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          Your holy ghost will not save you.
          Your God plutonium will not save you.
          In fact...
          ...You will not be saved!"

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          • #6
            2 tanks a gas a week, 120$ a week, not to bad as it used to be 60$ a week (I have 2 kids we drive everywhere and i commute to work everyday) i think were around 97 cents a litre right now for mid grade, so like 3.58/gallon which is really low... its usually up arround 1.20/L (4.56/gallon)

            ya ive put project festiva on high gear the last 2 months so i can have a cheaper car to drive hehe, itd be nice if this one worked well so my wife can take the kids in the festie and i can commute to work in this car. (she drives more )
            Last edited by hermit; 10-12-2009, 03:40 PM.

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            • #7
              That's what we do... drive the Festiva whenever and whereever we can. We only take the Astro when there's more than 5 of us going or if the Festiva is unavailable. Looks like you'll have the Festiva ready in plenty of time for Westiva 2010!
              Last edited by fastivaca; 10-12-2009, 03:46 PM.
              Ian
              Calgary AB, Canada
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              • #8
                festie should be ready by the end of the month, painted no, but driveable =P

                sucked I missed westiva 09, we had plans that weekend for a family reunion thing... and we didnt end up going and I completely forgot about westiva 09 ><

                anyways I think I screwed up my math up top, in tip top shape 28mpg its getting half that 14mpg, it doesnt qualify for cash for clunkers at its 28mpg.
                Last edited by hermit; 10-12-2009, 03:54 PM.

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                • #9
                  Seriously, get another festiva before its too late.
                  Someone, here is bound to find you a lead on one not too far from you.
                  Where are our Canadian brothers?
                  '93 Blue 5spd 230K(down for clutch and overall maintanence)
                  '93 White B6 swap thanks to Skeeters Keeper
                  '92 Aqua parts Car
                  '93 Turquoise 5spd 137K
                  '90 White LX Thanks to FB71

                  "Your God of repentance will not save you.
                  Your holy ghost will not save you.
                  Your God plutonium will not save you.
                  In fact...
                  ...You will not be saved!"

                  Prince of Darkness -1987

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                  • #10
                    pulled the obd1 codes from the oldsmobile came up with

                    33 - MAP sensor(low vacuum)
                    34 - MAP sensor(high vacuum)
                    84 - cant figure out what an 84 is...

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                    • #11
                      Mileage slowly getting worse sounds like it might be the catalytic converter clogging up. Had the same symptoms on two previous cars; changed the cats, mileage and power perked right up.
                      90 Festy (Larry)--B6M (Matt D. modified B6 head), header, 5-speed, Capri XR2 front brakes, many other little mods
                      09 Kia Rondo--a Festy on steroids!

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                      • #12
                        turned out to be an error on my part, my log keeping to messy, thought it read changed oil at 292,000 but it actually says change oil at 292,000, so I was overdue for a oilchange... 18,200km since the previous oil change ><. ran out immediately and bought new oil and oil filter and did an oil change out on the street in the dark. Solved the loss of power and mileage. also discovered a damaged spark plug wire and replaced it, now my Daily Driver is back to 28MPG woot. Still gonna change the temp sensor and the map sensor though after being to the junkyard im thinking the map sensor on these cars arent to great kind of like the drivers side electric windows, not a single oldsmobile delta 88 royale in the lot without a missing drivers side electric window =P, no map sensors in any of them either =/. So now the knock and missfire is also gone.

                        thank you all for your help

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