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  • Festy VAF in a B6?

    I have a B6 swap in my blue 1990 Festiva, courtesy of Greg. He also seems to have replaced the muffler with something else. Anyway, recently the VAF went out in it, and I found a good 323 one from the JY. But I am wondering if a Festy one can be used. Since the B6 is the same motor as the B3, only bored out, and all my ignition parts are stock Festiva anyway, could I just as easily use the Festy VAF? Has anyone done this with a B6, and if so how did it run?

    BTW, according to Rockauto, the following VAFs are the same:
    Kia Sephia, 1994-95
    Mazda 323, 90-95.....323 DX, 92-94.....323 SE, 90-93
    Mazda Miata, 90-93
    Mazda MX-3, 92-93
    Mazda Protege, 1994

    These VAFs are the same as each other too:
    Chevy Nova (Corolla), 1988
    Ford Festiva, 1989 (EFI auto obviously)
    Mazda 323, 1986-89
    Mercury Capri, 1991-94
    Mercury Tracer, 1988-89
    Toyota Corolla FX16 and FX16 GTS, 1988
    Toyota MR2, 1987-89

    Guess I answered my own question, sort of. So now my question is, has anyone used the Festy VAF with a 90-95 B6 motor, and how did it run?
    Last edited by TominMO; 11-17-2010, 12:04 AM.
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    09 Kia Rondo--a Festy on steroids!

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  • #2
    Yes, I've run a festy vaf with my b6, and I'm running an aspire maf on it right now.
    97 Aspire w/K03 turbocharged b6 SOHC
    CoolingMist Varicool II Meth injection
    Phantom gripped and cryo'ed 5 speed

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    • #3
      What about the 90-93 VAF's, are they the same as the '89 then?
      '93 Blue 5spd 230K(down for clutch and overall maintanence)
      '93 White B6 swap thanks to Skeeters Keeper
      '92 Aqua parts Car
      '93 Turquoise 5spd 137K
      '90 White LX Thanks to FB71

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      • #4
        One would think a B3 VAF would optimize the B3 performance, and the B6 VAF would optimize the B6, etc. Methinks only swapping VAFs/MAFs and recording several tankfulls of gas will tell the real world differences, if any. To eliminate weather and driving conditions, I'd swap back and forth at least three times each VAF and try to drive the same way for the entire test period, keeping an eye on tire pressure and other variables to ensure they don't mess up the results.

        Karl
        '93GL "Prettystiva" ticking B3 and 5 speed, backup DD; full swaps in spring!
        '91L "AquaMutt" my '91L; B6 swap/5 speed & Aspire brakes, DD/work car
        '92L "Twinstiva" 5sp, salvage titled, waiting for repairs...
        '93GL "Luxstiva," '94 B6 engine & ATX; needs overhauled
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        • #5
          Originally posted by iceracerdude View Post
          Yes, I've run a festy vaf with my b6, and I'm running an aspire maf on it right now.
          And it runs fine with all of them? What year was the Festy VAF?

          Originally posted by Pu241 View Post
          What about the 90-93 VAF's, are they the same as the '89 then?
          According to Rockauto, the 90-93 Festiva VAFs are unique to Festys, and apparently different from the '89.

          Originally posted by Safety Guy View Post
          One would think a B3 VAF would optimize the B3 performance, and the B6 VAF would optimize the B6, etc. Methinks only swapping VAFs/MAFs and recording several tankfulls of gas will tell the real world differences, if any. To eliminate weather and driving conditions, I'd swap back and forth at least three times each VAF and try to drive the same way for the entire test period, keeping an eye on tire pressure and other variables to ensure they don't mess up the results.

          Karl
          Great idea. Too much work for me tho.
          Last edited by TominMO; 11-17-2010, 07:20 AM.
          90 Festy (Larry)--B6M (Matt D. modified B6 head), header, 5-speed, Capri XR2 front brakes, many other little mods
          09 Kia Rondo--a Festy on steroids!

          You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality--Ayn Rand

          Disaster preparedness

          Tragedy and Hope.....Infowars.com.....The Drudge Report.....Founding Fathers.info

          Think for yourself.....question all authority.....re-evaluate everything you think you know. Red-pill yourself!

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          • #6
            The VAF is just a sensor with a variable voltage output. It doesn't care what year or size engine is behind it. The main thing is that the ECU will work with the input voltage range from the VAF and can correlate the signal to the proper air mass. There may not even be any operational differences. With the Rock Auto interchange, the differences could be physical and not operational (but I could be wrong).
            Brian

            93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by blkfordsedan View Post
              The VAF is just a sensor with a variable voltage output. It doesn't care what year or size engine is behind it. The main thing is that the ECU will work with the input voltage range from the VAF and can correlate the signal to the proper air mass. There may not even be any operational differences. With the Rock Auto interchange, the differences could be physical and not operational (but I could be wrong).
              This is correct, the part numbers are the same on some of the mazdas.

              Originally posted by TominMO View Post
              And it runs fine with all of them? What year was the Festy VAF?
              1990
              Last edited by iceracerdude; 11-17-2010, 09:47 AM.
              97 Aspire w/K03 turbocharged b6 SOHC
              CoolingMist Varicool II Meth injection
              Phantom gripped and cryo'ed 5 speed

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              • #8
                Originally posted by iceracerdude View Post
                Yes, I've run a festy vaf with my b6, and I'm running an aspire maf on it right now.
                Could you elaborate on this? According to my Haynes manual, VAF vs. MAF(hot wire) output is totally different. What did you have to do to make this work?
                Any difference that makes no difference is no difference.

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