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  • This car hates me.

    Having issues with my 93 L MT again. Turns out the last time the fuel pump o ring has worked its way out of the sending unit, bam barely enough pressure to start. Installed properly, and all is well!


    I thought. Drove the car another 500 miles and now I'm having another issue. Initially I noticed a lack of power. Strange. Slowly getting worse. Hmm. Yesterday I did the Rio swap and it was pretty bad on the test drive. It was COLD last night. Tested ECT and it's fine. Unplugged o2 sensor today and drove the car. Problem steadily got worse.

    At idle, the car smelled RICH before unplugging o2. I have no catalytic converter so the difference was quite noticeable. However, it doesn't smell rich at idle after plugging o2. Guessing the pcm reverted to a base map of sorts without the o2.

    So my theory here is: Fuel starvation causing a leaner condition at part throttle. PCM adjusts but no fuel starvation at idle, thus a rich idle. Tested fuel pressure, 28psi with the car running and regulator hooked to intake manifold. However, revving the car didn't budge the fuel pressure an inch AND with the vac line unhooked, I got the same 28psi steady as a rock. AutoZone tried telling me 68psi was what I was looking for. Uhh then why did that GP Sorensen Regulator I had you look up say 38psi? Mine is weak but still.

    So should I be ordering a FPR from RockAuto or what? I'm pretty positive it isn't ignition. I just went through and took care of EVERYTHING aside from the distributor itself and I did check timing this time. It's not a misfire, at WOT it simply won't go anywhere. It's like it is getting fuel, just not enough. And I know the amount of fuel delivery that 10psi changes is pretty significant. RC says a 120cc injector is actually a 100cc with that pressure change. I can see that causing an issue potentially. Sorry for the essay guys, I'm just at a loss here and my Mustang kills me on gas for work. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.
    93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

  • #2
    Not sure about all the jargon you're spouting but 'fuel filter' (yes there is one) and maybe even 'air filter' tends to be a simple place to start. Pump works and Cat is not plugged. Air/fuel/spark is the main thing I learned 40 years ago. Good luck!

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    • #3
      Car has a clean k&n and replaced tank, strainer filter so its not a contamination issue. Only things I haven't replaced fuel wise are injectors and rail.

      Also has a new coil, wires, and ngk v powers gapped at. 044.
      Last edited by standard235; 03-19-2013, 05:21 PM.
      93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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      • #4
        Are you saying you changed the tank strainer filter or tank. Their is a fuel filter on firewall just above the steering column unless someone took it off completely.
        Thom-Lifes too short, don't blink
        93 Festiva (Little Red Truck)
        01 F-150 (Big Red Truck)

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        • #5
          New tank, pump strainer, and fuel filter in bay.
          93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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          • #6
            minimum fuel pressure @ idle is 32 psi. ideal is 36. also, what voltage does your o2 sit at while at ~2000 rpm? does it swing?
            Trees aren't kind to me...

            currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
            94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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            • #7
              So I'm 8 psi short. Do I just back probe connector to test voltage? Its a single wire sensor
              93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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              • #8
                yeah, backprobe, and in this instance, you could use a sweep style volt meter
                Trees aren't kind to me...

                currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                • #9
                  I only have a Sperry DMM currently but I'm guessing that will let me see voltage oscillating.
                  93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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                  • #10
                    it should, depends on sample rate, but you should see a change eventually (within a few seconds)
                    Trees aren't kind to me...

                    currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                    94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                    • #11
                      Yup between around .1 and .8v
                      93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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                      • #12
                        good to hear, so it's not a real fuel issue.... check compression?
                        Last edited by FestYboy; 03-19-2013, 08:03 PM.
                        Trees aren't kind to me...

                        currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                        94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                        • #13
                          I need to...
                          93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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                          • #14
                            Compression was 175 across the board. I drove the car to get a pull switch from menards. When its cold, it seems fine. As the engine bay warms it eventually gets to where part throttle is fine, once past 70-80% it makes just enough power to maintain speed. Could the lack of wot signal to the pcm really do this?
                            93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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                            • #15
                              It indeed was my tps I believe. Gave it a good thwack with the screwdriver handle and the idle changed. Even smoother, revved and car and well woop there it is. Preferred a Delphi unit on RockAuto. Maybe after the fpr and tps I can drive it for a few weeks and save for some toys lol!
                              93 Ford Festiva L 5 speed: In process of fixing PO's negligence

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