Longshot to ask, but....

[Banana Bonanza]

Anybody have notion where I can find a reasonable Borg & Warner 10363C carb kit? I have an oddball Weber DGV with small bowl gasket and 26/27 bore. Somebody had this kit on ebay that clearly shows two bowl gaskets, one small and one large. Only kit I have seen that includes the small bowl gasket I need. Everybody else thinks I am just crazy and wont believe me or their own eyes even if I put carburetor in front of them. If it doesnt exist in their computer then it doesnt exist for them.

Unfortunately the guy is in Israel thats selling this and it would cost nearly $60 to get it which is stupid and not going to happen. But its a Borg Warner kit for pete's sake, ought to be available here someplace for $25 or less. Or perhaps another brand that also has the smaller bowl gasket. I dont mind making my own bowl gasket but when I do rebuild and have to buy a kit anyways, be nice if it had the small bowl gasket I need.



Or heck since this is kit for OEM application (my Weber DGV is aftermarket), then knowing what original application that used the smaller dvg bowl gasket would be great help, then I could look for a kit for that particular application!!! Google is returning nothing useful for that kit, no interchange numbers, not anything. Just that current ebay listing. Has to be for a Holley-Weber 5200 so be 1971 or newer and either Ford 2L or Chev 1.4L/1.6L. But which one? Guess since its Holley 5200, the Chevette would be better guess??? Those were only 2L or less engines used by American manufacture in 70s that I remember anyway, well Dodge Omni had VW engine in its first years and I think used that carb.

[Banana Bonanza]

Coming closer. I think its for a 1979 Chevette or at least that is probably the application that uses the smaller gasket. Looked at RockAuto.com and they only have pics for one kit, its STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # 1294A. It has the smaller gasket I need but also two modified smaller modified gaskets some sort of appendage on the bowl that means they wouldnt work on my DGV carb without that appendage. I assume it covers 1979 and newer Chevettes with 1.6L engine. 1976-1978 Chevettes used a Rochester carb. Other kits for the 1979 Chevette only were unique numbers (no pics) and not applicable to other years.



The orphan Borg Warner kit must have been designed to fit some of earlier Vega Holley 5200, but also the 1979 Chevette Holley 5210. Wish I could find pic of contents of one of the kits unique to the 1979 Chevette.

[Banana Bonanza]

Ok, that original Borg Warner kit is for a 1974 Ford Pinto, show it fitting both the 2.0L engine and the 2.3L engine so suspect its the 2.0L that uses the smaller bowl gasket.

wont even mention how I found this out, too embarrassing. Well since you insist, seems I didnt scroll down far enough in the listing.... duh!

As to the Chevette kit, think maybe ALL Chevettes with 5210C carb had the little appendage extension on the bowl. that 1294A kit may have also applied to a 1977 Monza why it had the gasket included without appendage. Whatever. Interesting little forray into carb kit differences. And yes Virginia, there is a Weber DGV that has the smaller float bowl! And a Holley 5200 too.

[lessersivad]

This may sound like a silly question but.....

Isn't there any numbers on the carb itself which could be used to get the correct kit?

[drddan]

Banana, here is a link to the carb you described. Dont know if you've seen it, but I thought i'd throw it out your way.
3rd one down in the link

http://datsun1200.com/modules/mediaw...ctric_Choke.3F

[Banana Bonanza]

Banana, here is a link to the carb you described. Dont know if you've seen it, but I thought i'd throw it out your way.
3rd one down in the link

Yes shows the variations with the bore choke, including the 26/27. BUT nobody mentions DGV/DFG using different size bowl gaskets. If they are all same with just choke inserts in the bores then they should all use same size bowl gasket! There are two sizes!!!!!!!!

However I have found a Weber rebuild kit with the smaller gasket. Its not mentioned on the label or anything helpful like that, I just noticed it was marginally wider than the base gasket setting on top of it. And they were nice enough to give pic of the parts sheet and the Weber part number for the gasket is: 41705.034 There are sellers that will sell it for shipped price of $10 (for a bowl gasket???) Anyway thats the answer.





I dont know why there arent just master kits out there with all the variations of gaskets instead of making people guess. Anybody buying that rebuild kit above with the small bowl gasket are going to be upset if they need the larger bowl gasket. Jeesh stupid bowl gasket cant cost factory more than 20cents. Put both gaskets in the stupid kit and I will give them extra dollar. Thats 500% profit on that extra gasket. Isnt 500% profit enough? And it means less inventory to stock.

Note of interest, DFV is just mirror image of the DGV.

[Banana Bonanza]

This may sound like a silly question but.....

Isn't there any numbers on the carb itself which could be used to get the correct kit?

The numbers dont bring up anything on google. Here they are: 23A-4A27 knock yourself out.... Add "Weber" to it and you get links to Weber grills.... My Weber doesn't roast meat!

[Banana Bonanza]

Here is example of Weber/Redline kit with wider bowl gasket:



Notice the wider gasket has two holes at top of gasket and the narrower one has one in the middle. Thats how I got to looking. Its the same on that original Borg kit for the '74 Pinto with both bowl gaskets. Bigger bowl gasket, two holes at top over section of gasket that seals the bores, the smaller bowl gasket has one hole in middle between tops of the bores.

Also scratching my head why all these kits for DGV and 5200 variations are more expensive than normal carb kits. Well unless you go looking for closeouts. Wanna gamble (no pic of gasket included) and you can find closeout kits low as $8. Whereas some are trying to sell these kits as high as $60. ????? Greed is alive and well. If I can buy a 4bbl carb kit for $20, no reason a simpler two barrel kit should go for $60..... I am going to pick up close out kit for 1971 to 1974 Ford with 2.0L engine just to see. I'd look locally, but these kits are considered too old and low volume sellers, they are special order only at local parts stores. And local parts stores dont carry the aftermarket Weber parts/kits. Well unless I can find cheap Weber/Redline kit online. Unlikely as they seem to go $25 plus shipping (overpriced shipping) and up.

[lessersivad]

Here ya go from "the 'bay"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBER-Redline-32-36-DFV-DFEV-DFAV-Carburetor-Carb-Rebuild-Repair-Tune-Up-Kit-NEW-/270985855859

$23.99 + $3.99 shipping

Seems cheap enough to me.

[Banana Bonanza]

Here ya go from "the 'bay"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBER-Redline-32-36-DFV-DFEV-DFAV-Carburetor-Carb-Rebuild-Repair-Tune-Up-Kit-NEW-/270985855859

$23.99 + $3.99 shipping

Seems cheap enough to me.

$28 is cheap for a 2bbl kit???? Thats over $10 more than I can get a Pinto or Chevette kit for their version of DGV/DFV carb. I can get a rebuilt DGV carb on ebay for $50 to $75. A rebuilt carb for twice the price of your bargain kit? Course have to move jets and all around.

I finally found a Redline kit for like $23 shipped on ebay with correct bowl gasket. Thats reasonable enough. Lot sellers dont give the Weber-Redline part number in their ad just say its for DGV and derivatives. But if they show the bowl gasket, I now can tell if its right kit. Bowl gasket has to have the single hole in gasket between the rounded parts that go over the barrels of the carb. But as long as I can get kit that works that is sold for some OEM application even cheaper, I will. Even if I have to make my own bowl gasket.

[Banana Bonanza]

http://www.ihpartsamerica.com/forums/carb-tech/3153-weber-carb-rebuild.html

This is very good writeup on testing powervalve in the Weber DGV 32/36. I need to do that before putting my carb back together. Interesting too as I didnt know these carbs were popular upgrade on the old IHC 4cyl Scouts.

[lessersivad]

$28 is cheap for a 2bbl kit???? Thats over $10 more than I can get a Pinto or Chevette kit for their version of DGV/DFV carb. I can get a rebuilt DGV carb on ebay for $50 to $75. A rebuilt carb for twice the price of your bargain kit? Course have to move jets and all around.

I finally found a Redline kit for like $23 shipped on ebay with correct bowl gasket. Thats reasonable enough. Lot sellers dont give the Weber-Redline part number in their ad just say its for DGV and derivatives. But if they show the bowl gasket, I now can tell if its right kit. Bowl gasket has to have the single hole in gasket between the rounded parts that go over the barrels of the carb. But as long as I can get kit that works that is sold for some OEM application even cheaper, I will. Even if I have to make my own bowl gasket.

Well $28 is quite a bit cheaper than the original $60 you posted. Yes, $23 is WAYYYY cheaper than $28.


I was sincerely trying to help on your quest to find a kit. As it turns out my efforts were met with sarcastic remarks. (At least that's the way I took them).

I'm glad you found a MUCH cheaper kit.............

[Banana Bonanza]

Actually ended up buying 3 kits for '79 Chevette at $7.44 shipped price each from Rockauto (closeout) to have on hand. Thats probably as low as it goes pricewise unless I got incredibly lucky at some thrift store or garage sale (day that happens, I need to buy a lottery ticket!). they may not have correct bowl gasket but at $7.44, can make my own...... but they have all other DGV parts. Got gasket material today that I ordered, gasket made and carb ready to go back on. Hopefully that solves problem. If not maybe bad manifold to engine gasket, sure hope not.

At least I found out there are really two different DGV bowl gaskets, still dont know why or why nobody mentions it. Like pulling teeth to find out and to find out there are two different DGV Weber kits.

The cheap thing, well I am getting old so this inflation/greed thing really bugs me where prices continually go up exponentially (to bail out rich bankers) while nobody adds an extra zero or two to the end of my paycheck to cover it. When somebody tells me something is cheap when I know its not cheap, well..... $60 is crazy outrageous however you figure it, $28 is high priced but maybe worth doing if in real bind with no other options, $18 is fair everyday price for a 2bbl carb kit if it has right gasket, $7.44 is a bargain even if I have to make my own bowl gasket.

[Banana Bonanza]

finally got Festiva driving well enough with junk carb that I cleaned up, to get to stupid clusterbox to get the carb kits. Amazing considering its condition when I pulled it out of box in back of one of my junk cars. I must gotten it at some junk auction long ago figuring might need some parts off it. Saved me a walk. Its steep two mile drive, not bad walk down, but not a nice summer walk back up. And once again thank you USPS for eliminating rural mail delivery on my road, its so much better to make 16 families drive down to hiway to get their mail than to have one carrier make one trip deliver mail to individual boxes..... GRRRR!

The cheap closeout Jiffy kits from RockAuto.com are interesting. Very, very complete with various kinds of bowl gaskets (including one I need) and two or three variations of accelerator pumps and power valves in each kit. One kit even had bunch new screws included. On other hand, you have to watch on the officially high priced Redline kits for the aftermarket Webers, some kits include the power valve, some dont. And if you arent paying attention, you wont know and probably wont replace the power valve. Why the game playing by Redline is beyond me?? You buy Redline power valve separately and its like $20 all by itself. Only potential problem is that these kits for 1979 Chevettes with Holley-Weber are very old (what you call NOS=new old stock), and gaskets are getting bit noticeably stiff from age. Gasket material or at least some kinds of gasket material sort of dries out and gets brittle just setting. Then again they were $7.44 each shipped price. I can forgive a lot for such a discount as long as they are usable and these look usable. At this price, I mostly care about power valve, accelerator pump diaphram, and needle valve. I can make any gaskets though these gasket I think are still usable, but maybe not in another 5 years.