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    Time to revisit this, as I have finally fixed my gas leak. I posted before but it has gotten progressively worse.

    Car: 88LX with 227K miles

    Symptom: Misfire and Blue smoke.

    When: Only happens at first startup after car has sit for a while (at least 8 hours). It starts ok, runs fine on all cylinders, for about 15 - 30 seconds. Then it starts to misfire. If I try to drive away I get a small cloud of blue oil smoke. It then clears up and runs fine. No oil smoke, no misfire. If I just let it idle, it will misfire for a long time, and then blows even more smoke when I hit the throttle. It really only seems to clear up if I rev the engine a bit.

    I have adjusted the valve lash, changed the oil and filter, replaced the plugs with NGK copper. Dist cap looks newish as well as wires ( but I have not changed them)

    When I pulled the plugs, they looked fine for the most part. no fouling, color looked normal, they werent worn horribly.The plug on the pass side end had a couple of "bumps" on it. Almost looked like two bits of spatter from a arc welder, but they were smoothed into the metal.. cant really describe them real well, and I should have taken a picture but at the time i thought they looked pretty benign.

    I initially thought that it was a carb issue, but the smoke has gotten worse, so I am thinking maybe something is sticking? I get some clatter at startup sometimes (not valve noise) but it goes away as soon as the oil gets pumping (like 1 second) and it is pretty inconsistent when that happens. I am still getting over 30mpg in mostly city driving, and power levels seem ok most of the time

    I am leaning away from valve seals, because in my experience they dont cause misfires and for the first 30 seconds there is no smoke at all, but am I in the wrong here?

    Any thoughts from you master mechanics? I feel like a compression test might not help because it only happens in certain circumstances..
    Last edited by db2u; 02-22-2014, 08:23 AM.
    Oldest Festiva on the forum (so far) 3/87 LX - 225k
    89 Tracer 13" alloys and dome light. Pioneer stereo, all else is stock.

  • #2
    Blue smoke means it's burning oil.

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    • #3
      I'd go for valve seals.
      -Bryant

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      • #4
        Choke is sticking on start up causing it to run rich & misfire. A valve seal not sealing well, wont cause a misfire.
        Some people like to read fiction,I prefer to read repair manuals. Weird I know-
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        • #5
          My one Festy, Blue is having the same issue except mine is smoking all the time. I have not figured it out yet. Since the weather is a little better I will start digging into it more.
          1993 Ford Festiva L blue 170,000 miles
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          1989 Ford Festiva LX black 233,000 miles. Sold to my better half's son.

          Mike

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          • #6
            Originally posted by nitrofarm View Post
            Choke is sticking on start up causing it to run rich & misfire. A valve seal not sealing well, wont cause a misfire.
            I remember you posting this on my other thread, but why would this cause oil smoke? Its not a little, it has turned into a significant cloud...
            If this is the case, how do I clean it?
            Oldest Festiva on the forum (so far) 3/87 LX - 225k
            89 Tracer 13" alloys and dome light. Pioneer stereo, all else is stock.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bravekozak View Post
              Blue smoke means it's burning oil.
              Yes I do know that much. Trying to figure out why and how to fix it.
              Last edited by db2u; 02-22-2014, 11:06 AM.
              Oldest Festiva on the forum (so far) 3/87 LX - 225k
              89 Tracer 13" alloys and dome light. Pioneer stereo, all else is stock.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by muleskinner View Post
                My one Festy, Blue is having the same issue except mine is smoking all the time. I have not figured it out yet. Since the weather is a little better I will start digging into it more.
                Smoke all the time is usually rings. That doesn't seem to be the issue I have, because 99% of the time I am driving it, it is smoke free.
                Oldest Festiva on the forum (so far) 3/87 LX - 225k
                89 Tracer 13" alloys and dome light. Pioneer stereo, all else is stock.

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                • #9
                  boy boy

                  "I own a garage ..start engine ..remove oil filler cap ..smoke/mist puffing out? ..thats worn bores /pistons ..its the classic sign ...compression test tells you little ..its the facts that count ..if nothing puffing out of rocker cover then its valve stem seals ....the classic test of wear ..drive to top of hill ..put into third gear ..drive down hill ..WITHOUT TOUCHING THROTTLE ..its called a trailing throttle ..dont touch clutch ...at bottom of hill .boot it ..blue smoke ? worn engine ..100% gauranteed"


                  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_blue_smoke_from_the_exhaust_mean
                  Last edited by bravekozak; 02-22-2014, 11:37 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bravekozak View Post
                    boy boy

                    "I own a garage ..start engine ..remove oil filler cap ..smoke/mist puffing out? ..thats worn bores /pistons ..its the classic sign ...compression test tells you little ..its the facts that count ..if nothing puffing out of rocker cover then its valve stem seals ....the classic test of wear ..drive to top of hill ..put into third gear ..drive down hill ..WITHOUT TOUCHING THROTTLE ..its called a trailing throttle ..dont touch clutch ...at bottom of hill .boot it ..blue smoke ? worn engine ..100% gauranteed"


                    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_blue_smoke_from_the_exhaust_mean
                    It is none of this. I don't have trailing throttle smoke, and I don't have a pressurized valve cover. Valve stems don't make a whole lot of sense to me either, for two reasons: 1) the smoke only occurs when accompanied by a misfire. 2) I would expect smoke right at startup or after idling for an extended period, not briefly for 15-30 seconds after startup.

                    The sticking choke makes more sense with the misfire and timing of it, but I don't get where the oil smoke would come from that is associated with this and only this../
                    Oldest Festiva on the forum (so far) 3/87 LX - 225k
                    89 Tracer 13" alloys and dome light. Pioneer stereo, all else is stock.

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                    • #11
                      head gasket? oil leaks in when off. smokes bad on start-up. while running, pull oil dipstick. if blowing out then probably. I am sure there are other ways to check this though. Idk though
                      -Bryant

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by db2u View Post
                        I remember you posting this on my other thread, but why would this cause oil smoke? Its not a little, it has turned into a significant cloud...
                        If this is the case, how do I clean it?
                        If its def oil then its not your choke,but you say when you rev the engine the smoke and MISFIRE go away. Thats usually a choke being opened up and now the engine can breath clean again.....
                        And if you have a "Feed Crap" carburetor I dont have any experience except removing them and installing a Weber. But try removing the air cleaner and starting it when its cold.Then take a light and look down the throat.Is it closed, and if so use your hand to rev it up.Did the choke unseat?
                        If this inst your problem move on to sticking Rings/Valves. I have a theory why its not seals but I'll just leave it at that. Anyway whats driving my choke theory is your MISFIRE.... Only three things could be cause. Ignition,Fuel or a stuck Valve.....We can beat our heads all day but until you really start doing some hard tests its impossible to pin point over a forum. You need to check Choke 1st because its easy,then do a cold compression check. Then a hot one and follow up with leak down checks. Lots of people with this type of problem never do compression/leak down checks they just keep driving it or try to fix it Seafoam.... If you find its not the choke, I would lean towards valves sticking at start up.(that will show up right away on Cold test) Good Luck-
                        Last edited by nitrofarm; 02-22-2014, 09:50 PM.
                        Some people like to read fiction,I prefer to read repair manuals. Weird I know-
                        Henry Ford: "Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently"
                        Fuseable Link Distribution Block repair link

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