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  • I am baffled!

    I have a mystery...and I cannot figure it out...and don't have a lot of time nor money to throw at it. So...here we go:
    I got into my Festiva ('88 carb car)...fired it up...choke kicked in, I kicked it down, reached over to take out a CD from my radio, and <POOF> the engine wound down, stopped and will not re-start. It turns over fine, but had ZERO compression.
    Now...I know...first thing everyone thinks of is timing belt. Not that. Belt has no more than 5-6k on it...and is intact.
    Today I took the belt off, inspected the teeth one at a time, and it is still in like-new condition. I re-set the timing, and re-installed the belt. Nothing changed. Not even a back-fire.
    I tried each cylinder for a compression check...needle just sat there and slept. (to be sure that my compression gauge works, I took a reading on a buddy's pick-up. It works just fine)
    NOW...the only thing we found that was weird, (other than the way it just died and won't make compression) is that I have air coming OUT of the PCV valve hose from the carb base. If memory serves...THAT should be sucking IN to the base...not pushing it out. Correct?
    So...the odds of ALL 4 pistons having a hole in them at the SAME time is less than my odds of winning the LOTTO. My buddy and I began to wonder, if MAYBE the head gasket blew out...without passing fluids into the oil, and is passing air back and forth between cylinders. BUT...wouldn't I still get SOME needle movement on the compression gauge?
    The oil is NOT milkshake color, and we don't feel any air coming from between the block and the head.
    I am out of ideas here. NOT fixing it, or finding the answer to the issue means the car will be going down the road...and while I have other uses for the money, I really like the car, and would prefer to find the problem and fix it. But time is an issue here...as is money...and I will part with it if I have to. (and there is already a buyer...so...don't ask. LOL!!!)
    The engine was just beginning to show a little smoke now and then, but only on early stage of running after sitting all night. It has 265k miles on this motor. I am the 2nd owner of the motor. (it came out of the car I was second owner of, which was wrecked 2 1/2 years ago) I figured the smoke it was showing to be valve-stem seals. Car (engine) has never been "hot-rodded"...and has had oil changes every 3-4500 miles like religion since it was new.

    Any ideas?

  • #2
    Check for a broken cam by pulling the dist. cap off. seeing if it turns.

    David

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    • #3
      Might want to check the cam gear bolts too. They could be broken.
      Jerry
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      • #4
        Do you have spark? Sounds like either the disty or coil took a crap on you.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Studebaker View Post
          Check for a broken cam by pulling the dist. cap off. seeing if it turns.

          David
          Did that right off...and it does. Crank is also turning. Have the valve cover off and did a visual check as well.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Team Lightning View Post
            Might want to check the cam gear bolts too. They could be broken.
            They appear to be good. Cam turns when engine spins...either by hand or with starter. Locating pin is also intact on the cam. This is a mystery!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by koRnhead View Post
              Do you have spark? Sounds like either the disty or coil took a crap on you.....
              I have solid spark. And that wouldn't account for the zero compression. Coil is about 20k old, ditto for the distributor.
              Last edited by mustang6984; 04-12-2015, 01:14 PM.

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              • #8
                Festyboy and I ran across the same symptoms a few years back. Called that engine dead and replaced it.

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                • #9
                  Maybe crank gear sheared the key, check the timing against piston position. I think you will find the timing marks say all is well but the piston will not match. Possible the crank bolt was not tight enough ?
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                  • #10
                    Just did a search of the Interent on "sudden loss of compression" and they are reporting sheared cam gear pin (whatever that is).
                    If the cam shaft isn't working and it's an '88 with mechanical fuel pump there also won't be any pressure in the fuel line?
                    Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about but this sure sounds interesting.
                    Original owner of silver grey carburetted 1989 Festiva. 105k km as of June 2006. 140k km as of June 2021.

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                    • #11
                      crankshaft key is missing ,got to be . Pull Plug 1 and bring to it tdc see if timing marks are where they r supposed to be .
                      Donn
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                      • #12
                        Pull a plug. stick something in the hole. see if the piston pushes it out. put a finger over the spark plug hole. crank. see how much air is moved.

                        David

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by scitzz View Post
                          Festyboy and I ran across the same symptoms a few years back. Called that engine dead and replaced it.

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                          You are NOT encouraging! LOL!!! I have another motor on a stand. Just don't want to go through that right now. I am SO close to finishing my SVO Mustang...the cost of a rebuild on the Festiva motor and finishing the SVO are the same practically. You see the dilemma I'm sure!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Movin View Post
                            Maybe crank gear sheared the key, check the timing against piston position. I think you will find the timing marks say all is well but the piston will not match. Possible the crank bolt was not tight enough ?
                            We checked the crank & the cam both are in place. We re-timed the engine, (took the belt off and re-aligned the timing marks) STILL no compression in ANY cylinder. needle doesn't even twitch. Pulled the spark plug...looked inside #1 cylinder with engine at TDC...piston is looking back at us!
                            I AM going crazy! Steak & baked potato for the first one who shows up and finds the answer!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WmWatt View Post
                              Just did a search of the Interent on "sudden loss of compression" and they are reporting sheared cam gear pin (whatever that is).
                              If the cam shaft isn't working and it's an '88 with mechanical fuel pump there also won't be any pressure in the fuel line?
                              Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about but this sure sounds interesting.
                              Cam gear pin is what holds the cam in place. Mine...not broken. I do have the mechanical fuel pump...and it is working. I am ready to call a priest to do an Exorcism!

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