9-11 C/s

[Mizery]

not sure if any one has seen this or not, im sure alot of you have. but since alot of the 9/11stuf has been on tv alot the past few days i came accross this. pretty interesting. and will make you think a little. especially the last minute and last few words in the second video. he says " remember this your government funded and train alkida"

they are pretty long but i thing worth watching. what do you all think about it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5714975155113419363&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&hl=en

[redfesty]

this is really weird because i was watchin a show on cable yesterday about this very thing. And all i could think about was all those people who knew and had loved ones in there. Not to mention the fire fighters and police. To all those that lost someone my condolances go out to you.

[FoxProGT]

it may take a civil war between the american people vs the american government to get things into proper order... the tuff part is having everyone who knows these facts come together and stand up at once against the us government.

it would be nice if the us forces and troops took the american peoples side to over come the us government.

[oxbrain]

http://www.debunking911.com/

[joebreck117]

i can't even watch the shows about remembering 9/11 anymore. whenever one comes on i just flip the channel. too many unanswered questions and too much evidence pointing at the government. it feels so wrong for me to think the government would do such a thing, so i rather not think it at all.

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Preloader

[FB71]

ok, I hate getting involved in any type of discussion about things like 'conspiracies', but I have to chime in on the Pentagon BS. I live about 40 miles from the Concrete Anus (Pentagon), and have associates that work there. It was a 757 that struck the building, not a missle, bomb, or anything else. My dad works for the telcom company that handles the phone systems at the Pentagon, and described to me, in vivid detail, the wreckage being extracted from the structure. There are no pictures from inside, because the military does not want details of the structure to be public. There is little wreckage evident because the bulk of the aircraft's weight is it's fuel, which is why it was chosen to be used as a weapon to begin with, and the majority of the aircraft is incinerated (yes, metal burns quite well, especially aluminum, magnesium and titanium). I agree that not everything is always disclosed, but this was not a clandestined act by our government. This was an act of terrorism by an outside organization.

[joebreck117]

Seems like there would be an initial impact mark across the side of the building, seeing as when it made contact it should have been in full form.

[FoxProGT]

i dont recall ever hearing or reading about an airliner crashing and there was absolutely no wreckage remaining.

there was even wreckage of the planes that hit the towers O.o

[oxbrain]

Seems like there would be an initial impact mark across the side of the building, seeing as when it made contact it should have been in full form.

There was.

i dont recall ever hearing or reading about an airliner crashing and there was absolutely no wreckage remaining.

there was even wreckage of the planes that hit the towers O.o

There was a lot of wreckage at the site, including the wheels, pieces of the aircraft skin, pieces of the control surfaces, engines, black boxes, etc.

Here's another good debunking of all the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11,

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

[joebreck117]

that mark is not the width of a plane. period.

i hate this subject.

[Pu241]

that mark is not the width of a plane. period.

i hate this subject.

So your saying you don't believe the pentagon was hit by a airplane?

The wings of a plane aren't going to penetrate a reinforced concrete structure.
Likely they will get sheared/folded back and probably be carried partly into the hole created by the front fuselage.
Then burn as the fuel from the ruptured tanks envelopes both the plane and surrounding structure.
JP fuels have high BTU content and burn at high temps, melting and igniting metal such as AL & Mg and just melting steels and titanium.
Those same high temp will also cause concrete to degrade and crumble so the impact will bear little resemblance to airplane.

[neanderpaul]

I don't generally think about this sort of thing. Frankly I'm too busy with work and family. Any spare time goes to my music. Having said that I did watch part of the first clip. The things that raised questions in my mind were the hole in the wall - too small. The paper unburned on a stool right at the hole in the was. Where is all the damage from the burned fuel? And why, if there were hundreds of cameras at the pentagon, were there no photos of the plane hitting the building.

[ejp2fast]

These 2 vids in the first post DO have SOME points.... I found the bright light information very interesting... as well as President Bush's first words after hearing about the plane crashing into the first tower...

Those that want more of an engineering perspective on WHY the towers fell (and trade tower 7) the "How the Towers Fell (Blueprint for truth, architect)" video is much much better....as he is not biased as much leaning one way or the other, but just facts...IF YOU SEE ANY 9/11 VIDEO, THIS IS IT.... google video search "how the towers fell" by Richard Gage total run time 120 min

I have found this information interesting, but everyone has their own twist on evidence...
I have taken multiple informational videos and the evidence and combined them.....

[MeeMo]

Makes you realize just how long 7 years is, in the mindset of the public. Funny how the passage of time makes some folks suddenly "experts" in conspiracies, bombs, aircraft crash forensics, and cover ups. Hello, reality? Are you there? Nutjob militant jihadist terrorists planned and executed this attack. They would continue to do so if not for the efforts of our military and intelligence organizations. You don't need to be of any political stripe to understand that, but you do need to be sane. How about if you were standing close enough to the Pentagon to have witnessed that. How would you feel to have so many "experts" come back and tell you it never happened? Just how involved are each of you with the investigation? Who among you knows for a fact that this is a gigantic conspiracy? Right. Give me a break. Fight the enemy instead, eh?

[joebreck117]

^^That's why I don't get on this subject. People think you're just a nutjob.

I quit. I don't need people to tell me I'm crazy or unpatriotic.

Who among you has solid evidence that that really was a plane that hit the pentagon.
Who among you has evidence that the fact that the towers fell and the way they fell was all due to planes hitting them.
I don't go for all of the conspiracy stuff they say, but some of it makes a LOT of sense when you research even actual news updates from the day of, as it was all happening.
Try watching youTube a little. I'm not saying youTube is right and let's all believe everything that's on that site, but if you just have an open mind about it all, and think, really really think, about everything that happened that day, out of everything you saw that day, do you honest to God remember seeing plane debris outside of the Pentagon? Or do you just remember the news telling you that that's what happened. Do you know for a fact that those towers fell so perfectly because two planes hit them so high up. I'm sorry, but I can't believe those buildings would have fallen that way naturally. I think they would have been a lot more of a tangled mess, or maybe they wouldn't have fallen all the way.

I'm not saying I'm an expert. I'm not saying let's stop the fight in the Middle East. I'm not really sure what I'm saying to be honest.
Just stop and think. Really, really think.

NO ONE HAS COMPLETE, SOLID EVIDENCE EITHER WAY YOU GO.