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    Found a few old threads about some of this but all of them over a year old and no follow-ups. So I'm hoping to make it to the JY either tomorrow or sunday to pull a B6 or B8 for my '90. I will probably snag an F-series trans for use with it, since the 5 speed trans I have has turned into a 3 speed :lol: Since I'm going to be poking around on 323s and Proteges anyway I'm contemplating looking for 4 speed 323/Protege auto trans for the wifes new '88 LX. I have a festiva auto trans that I could throw in, but the idea of having OD would also be nice. I have yet to find any gear ratio listings for auto trans to find out how much of an advantage this would give in terms of fuel economy, but it should help. If anyone has info on the F3A and F4A gearing it would be much appreciated!

    So I'm thinking about axles. I have read many times that the axles for a '86-'89 N/A 323 or '91-'93 N/A Capri will fit the F5MR trans in the Festiva with no problems, and that the swap only requires the fabrication of trans mounts. AZ only lists two axles for the N/A 323, one for drivers side and one for passenger side. So I'm assuming the auto and manual axles must be the same. So theoretically (depending on how much longer thec casing of the F4A is from the F5MR) you could easily install an F4A into a Festiva using the axles from a 323/Capri. However, according to Mitchells there is a PCMT (Powertrain Control Module Transmission) that recieves signals from sensors and the ECU to control the shift solenoids. Except on some '93 models where the PMCT is not a seperate unit but is part of the PCME (note to self, avoid '93s )

    So far so good, and even though wiring would likely be a pain, it should be doable... except for the fact that this would be going into a carbed '88 LX, so there is no ECU to provide the info it wants. Darn, back to square one. I may try to do a 4 speed auto on an EFI festive one day, but not for a while probably

    But wait, I happened to notice this at the bottom of one of the F4A diagrams.



    That looks pretty simple... Its for the FU06 trans, apparently available in the 88-89 323 Autos. Its vacuum controlled as best I can tell, which means it may be a perfect candidate for a swapping into a carb car. Unfortunately none of the yards around have one at a decent price, but I will be keeping an eye out for one hopefully in a cheaper you pull it yard. For now I will be using the one from the '90 in it, since it needs to get on the road soon. Her 940 gets about 22mpg, which isn't bad for that big of a car, but still no match for even a carb/auto festy

    I will post back here if I find anything else out about the "FU06" trans, and if anyone else has any info to contribute (or one for sale) I'd love to hear about it! (especially gear ratios since ultimately I'm going for economy)
    Last edited by htchbck; 03-04-2011, 02:15 PM.
    No festiva for me ATM...

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    The whole idea was to seperate the auto trans from the ecu when putting into a festiva. if its just a few wires that need hot and a seperate OD switch you can steal from any number of cars, then thats simple enough. Please dont give up on this. I did just locate and bring home a 5 speed, my alternative was a GL auto that i wanted to see if i could do a 1.8T/323 auto combo but its backburner now. Really interested in seeing this work tho.
    Last edited by getnpsi; 03-04-2011, 03:36 PM.
    1993 GL 5 speed

    It's a MazdaFordnKia thing, and you will understand!

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    • #3
      to bad you live so far away, I have a 323 trans, just sitting here with 104,000 KMS on it,
      B6 with lightweight Flywheel, FMS street cam
      Holy heck gee willickers its fast!!drool

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      • #4
        No such thing as an f4a. The 323 trans is the g4a-hl/el.
        91GL BP/F3A with boost
        13.79 @ 100, 2.2 60' on 8 psi and 155R12's

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        • #5
          There is an F4A transmission. It's a Mitsubishi trans. I know because my Summit Wagon has one. :smile:

          I've always heard that mid to late 80's Mazda autos are totally vacuum controlled. It would be real nice if this is true.
          Festiva: Because even my dog can build a Honda.
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          '90 L. B8ME/Kia Rio 5 speed. Rio/Aspire suspension swap. :-D
          '81 Mustang. Inline 6, Automatic.
          '95 Eagle Summit Wagon. 4G64 Powered.

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          • #6
            it is true, i was just talking to Jim (FB71) about an ATX alternative and the early 323s were autonamous (no ECU/TCU to worry about) and my own research came up with 93 MX3s with the B6me had an ATX with a seperate TCU and electronicaly locking converter.
            Trees aren't kind to me...

            currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
            94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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            • #7
              That electronic locking converter is very drool worthy...
              -Zack
              Blue '93 GL Auto: White 13" 5 Point Wheels, Full LED Conversion, and an 8" Sub

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JPT View Post
                There is an F4A transmission. It's a Mitsubishi trans. I know because my Summit Wagon has one. :smile:

                I've always heard that mid to late 80's Mazda autos are totally vacuum controlled. It would be real nice if this is true.
                Were talking mazdas here though. As in a 4 speed version of our F3A. No such thing, the 4 speed auto in the 323 is the G4A, either HL for the BF 323 or EL for the BG. HL is hydro control and EL is electronic.

                Either is a very involved swap. So involved theres only been one or two shown on here.

                Supposedly it requires custom axles which I dont understand since the BF axles are whats used in F/G series swaps... maybe the trans is so big it has to be mounted off to one side or the other or something...
                91GL BP/F3A with boost
                13.79 @ 100, 2.2 60' on 8 psi and 155R12's

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bhazard View Post
                  Were talking mazdas here though. As in a 4 speed version of our F3A. No such thing, the 4 speed auto in the 323 is the G4A, either HL for the BF 323 or EL for the BG. HL is hydro control and EL is electronic.

                  Either is a very involved swap. So involved theres only been one or two shown on here.

                  Supposedly it requires custom axles which I dont understand since the BF axles are whats used in F/G series swaps... maybe the trans is so big it has to be mounted off to one side or the other or something...
                  I realize that we are talking Mazda here. I was just being funny.

                  I can't imagine this trans needing custom axles. I can't see Mazda making a one off drive line for an economy car. I've looked at available axles for 323's and the only "auto only" axles I've found are BECK/ARNLEY Part # 1060313 (these are the same part for the 323 and Capri) Cardone lists axles too, but does not specify auto or manual trans. The BF chassis is the same width as a Festiva, so I imagine the axles used with that transmission should fit with no problem.
                  Festiva: Because even my dog can build a Honda.
                  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

                  '90 L. B8ME/Kia Rio 5 speed. Rio/Aspire suspension swap. :-D
                  '81 Mustang. Inline 6, Automatic.
                  '95 Eagle Summit Wagon. 4G64 Powered.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bhazard View Post
                    Were talking mazdas here though. As in a 4 speed version of our F3A. No such thing, the 4 speed auto in the 323 is the G4A, either HL for the BF 323 or EL for the BG. HL is hydro control and EL is electronic..
                    Maybe it wasn't available in the US... or Mithcells was wrong. I will post the info from Mitchells on Monday when I'm back at work, can't access if from my home comp. But it clearly differentiates between the G4A and the F4A and FA4A. But they also list the FU06 as being in the pre-90 B6 323s. And everything I've found on it says its a 4 speed auto that has no comp on it. Thats why I'm looking for one, for the wifey's car which is Carbed and therefore no sensors or ECU input/outputs
                    No festiva for me ATM...

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