got a 5spd and a Phantom Grip

[rollertoaster]

Well I'm not doing a tranny swap so I think I'm going to go with the Exedy clutch. I'll probably order it tomorrow.

I got my PG today and I do have a few questions, specifically for Iceracer.

How far do I need to deepen the spring pockets to use the green springs? Did you deepen them far enough to use the shorter retainers, or did you still use the longer retainer and just deepen the pockets to prevent coil bind?

I see you mentioned cutting the side gears as well, the PG will not fit if you don't it seems. How much clearance did you leave on each side of the PG between the side gears?

now for some pictures
gold springs and short retainers on left
green springs and long retainers on right


side gears (the smaller ones with the large pin going through them)


4th trans mount to be

[rollertoaster]

I cut the spider gears down on my buddies mill yesterday. I had to take about .055" off the small gears. I took about .120" off the large gears to achieve the .003"-.005" clearance requirement of the PG. Just need to clean everything up and reassemble the tranny.

[iceracerdude]

The retainers and pins are moot, you don't leave them in, they're just to ease assembly.
We widened and deepened the pockets to accomodate the biggest springs we could load without having them bind. You might have to take more off
that lip on the inner edge of the side gears to get the unit in place, but otherwise you'll be happy with those clearances.
I sent all my gears, washers, and the pinion pin to 300 Below in illinois for cryo treatment, Rob Jenkins is the "go to" guy there, tell him I recommended you and he'll
Take great care of you, those guys are the best.
I hope you remembered to tell them at the machine shop to degauss all that stuff after working on it...one magnet in the transaxle should be enough lol.

[rollertoaster]

I did all the machining myself. I just put the finishing touches on the wear surfaces this morning with some 600 grit wet sand paper. And yes, everything has been de-magnetized. Then everything went in the parts washer for final clean-up before reassembly. I wish I had the time to send it out for cryo, but it has to go in the car as soon as my clutch comes in.

before finishing with 600 grit


after assembly

[iceracerdude]

Great write up, great pictures too...this needs to be made a sticky!

[iceracerdude]

Wow... they actually make those things for an E-series? That blows my mind! Talk about a small customer-base. They must be reverse compatible with something else.

They are.

[iceracerdude]

well the unit is still intact, but the spider gears blew up. it was basically a little wheel hop on a launch

This is pinion gear failure at it's finest. It's my understanding they're really only "case hardened" so that's why I sent mine to 300 below for cryo treatment. That being said, those pinion gears are just so increadibly small, and you simply can't make them any larger, so the only options are what you're seeing here in these posts.
They either spin out of sync so fast and hard that they will actually weld themselves to the pin (repeated one wheel burn outs), or they just explode from excessive shock loading.
I have also seen them with all of the teeth ripped off of them too!
Take notice of the actual friction surfaces on the pg itself, this would be where the interaction business happens with the side gears, there's virtually no wear indicated there.
It would be nice to be able to load a Quaif or Mfactory diff, but you'd have to start with a more main stream, f or g series trans first.
"$peed is just a question of money...how fast do you want to go?"

[rollertoaster]

I believe the unit is a 906. which I believe is compatible with some hondas. THey don't list it on the site that way, they use some weird convoluted number system that gives every application a different number. Any way it isn't a drop in unit, machining is required. I spent about 4hrs standing in front of that stupid mill making pass after pass. I was about ready to kill someone by the time it was done. luckily the clearances were right the first time and I didn't have to cut any more.

[rollertoaster]

hopefully I don't have a pinnion failure like Hotwheels but then again I don't expect to make that kind of power, and I do my very best not to burnout or shockload. I learned my lesson with driving like that many years ago. As long as you don't drag race, you don't have to abuse your vehicle in order to drive it fast.

[eurotiva]

I'm making 220 whp and drag race mine weekly. I have a few broken parts, but g-series rock (compared to e)

[anomoly40]

I believe the unit is a 906. which I believe is compatible with some hondas. THey don't list it on the site that way, they use some weird convoluted number system that gives every application a different number. Any way it isn't a drop in unit, machining is required. I spent about 4hrs standing in front of that stupid mill making pass after pass. I was about ready to kill someone by the time it was done. luckily the clearances were right the first time and I didn't have to cut any more.

Get yourself a 2" inserted cutter and you wont have to make 15 passes.

[rollertoaster]

Get yourself a 2" inserted cutter and you wont have to make 15 passes.

haha 15 passes I wish. more like 11passes on the small gear. and 24 passes on the big gears. each pass on the big gear consisted of about 7-8 side to side runs to cover the entire area. It was done on a small mill with a 1/4" carbide bit. Too bad we don't have a 5ton mill

[anomoly40]

If you can't count each flute dig in the metal, you're not hogging enough off.

[rollertoaster]

So I got the trans reassembled tonight. No left over parts, yay!! Then I did a little work on my new rear trans mount. The only measurements I actually took were for the bolt holes on the trans case. The rest is eye balled which came out good. Fitment isn't too critical on urethane motor mounts, but my eyeballs say it's dead on.

[rollertoaster]

Another angle of the mount