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  • Since we can't get different speedo gears, what trans swap will allow bigger wheels?

    I've done a search, but it's giving me a headache.

    Rio trans, EGT trans,.... what 5-speed would get me into a taller tire and still read correctly?
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  • #2
    the speedo can be recalibrated.... just need to know the revs per mile and the ring gear ratio.
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    • #3
      You would swap trannies just to have an accurate speedo?

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      • #4
        I've been wondering about this, too. I'm ocd about having an accurate speedo. I was kinda hoping I'd be able to go with a taller tire when I get around to the f swap. Anybody got numbers handy for the ring gear? I can count teeth on an e later this evening.

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        • #5
          I have a g series. With the capri speedo drive. I run 195/50r 15 and my speedo is within 1 mph @ 75mph
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          • #6
            My speedo is dead on

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            • #7
              The speedometer will read whatever the cable says to read. The solution would be an electronic sender and gauge. If you're running a tire way outside of specification, there aren't many ways to molest the reading without it.
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              • #8
                So no one knows the answer?

                I have to type out a big long explanation of what I want to possibly do?

                EGT's came with 14's. Rio's have, what, 15's? I know people have put them in Festivas.

                12" tires suck for longevity.
                1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                2005 Accord - wife's DD
                2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                • #9
                  You do realize that rim size does not effect the speedo right? its the total tire diameter that matter, so a 15" rim with a low profile tire can potentially be shorter then a 13" rim with a tall tire on it

                  So it's all in a matter of what tire size you have for the rim you install

                  1988 323 Station Wagon - KLG4 swapped
                  1988 323 GT - B6T Powered
                  2008 Ford Escape - Rollover Survivor

                  1990 Festiva - First Ever Completed KLZE swap (SOLD)

                  If no one from the future stops you from doing it, how bad of a decision can it really be?

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                  • #10
                    Sorry, I meant tires. The few 12" tires you can get are nothing like the 80k tires on my Sport Trac. It's looking like the Kumho's are MAYBE good for 20k. I don't want steel wheels and there are few 13, 14, and even fewer 15 inch tires similar in height. I'd like a better tire selection, therefore a larger wheel selection.

                    My only other alternative is to make a reduction gear box for the trans.

                    The nice thing about a trans swap is an engine swap.
                    1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                    1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                    1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                    1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                    2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                    2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                    2005 Accord - wife's DD
                    2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                    2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Larry Hampton View Post
                      Sorry, I meant tires. The few 12" tires you can get are nothing like the 80k tires on my Sport Trac. It's looking like the Kumho's are MAYBE good for 20k. I don't want steel wheels and there are few 13, 14, and even fewer 15 inch tires similar in height. I'd like a better tire selection, therefore a larger wheel selection.

                      My only other alternative is to make a reduction gear box for the trans.

                      The nice thing about a trans swap is an engine swap.
                      I'll put this out there...

                      I haven't had a speedo in either Festiva since 2008. I drive by the tach and know what speed I'm going based off that. Get whatever tires float your boat, drive by the tach.
                      1989 Carby L: Stock. Slow.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eurotiva View Post
                        I have a g series. With the capri speedo drive. I run 195/50r 15 and my speedo is within 1 mph @ 75mph
                        Originally posted by Damkid View Post
                        My speedo is dead on
                        Originally posted by Larry Hampton View Post
                        So no one knows the answer?

                        I have to type out a big long explanation of what I want to possibly do?

                        EGT's came with 14's. Rio's have, what, 15's? I know people have put them in Festivas.

                        12" tires suck for longevity.
                        Two members gave you a valid answer. I'll be the third. A Capri xr2 trans (g5mr) will allow you to run a 22" outer tire diameter with the stock festiva gauge and cable and your speedometer will be just as accurate as it is stock. Mine is within 4 mph at 75mph but my tires are 21.5" tall. It says I'm going 4mph faster than I actually am. I'm pretty sure that the stock festiva tranny is closer with certain sizes of 13" wheels.
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                        • #13
                          Well, first you have to have a tach.

                          Second, my wife has no idea how to drive by the tach.

                          Third, I don't want to use a GPS.

                          Fourth, I'm not looking for another idea, I just want to know the answer to my original question.

                          I'm 45 and been dinking with cars ever since I could drive. In the old days you could just get a different speedo gear for the end of your cable where it went into the trans.

                          My current 5-speed has a cracked case where the end detent is by a PO. I'm looking at changing it. I found a BP and trans from a EGT with under 20k on it for $400.

                          The speedo is within 1 mph at 75, what about other speeds? I don't often drive at 75, my speeds are typically 25-55 and I deal with a lot of speed traps.

                          IIRC, Damkid has a guage swap.

                          I'd like to get closer to a 23" or 24" tire.
                          Last edited by Larry Hampton; 06-27-2012, 09:26 AM.
                          1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                          1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                          1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                          1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                          2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                          2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                          2005 Accord - wife's DD
                          2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                          2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                          • #14
                            look up the tire sizes that were OEM for the EGT and then swap in an EGT speedo Head to match your trans and you will be all set.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Larry Hampton View Post
                              Sorry, I meant tires. The few 12" tires you can get are nothing like the 80k tires on my Sport Trac. It's looking like the Kumho's are MAYBE good for 20k. I don't want steel wheels and there are few 13, 14, and even fewer 15 inch tires similar in height. I'd like a better tire selection, therefore a larger wheel selection.

                              My only other alternative is to make a reduction gear box for the trans.

                              The nice thing about a trans swap is an engine swap.
                              How about a reduction gear box for your brain? If it's 2 MPH off at 50 then it would be one off at 25 and 3 at 75. It's all proportional.

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