magnetic drain plugs engine+transmission

[jason_]

Hmm. My 95 Cummins I bought new has 480,000 miles. I change the $3 filter every 2000 miles. Bearings were well within spec when I had the pan off 50k ago for a gasket.


I guess it's engine dependent.

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[rmoltis]

Yeah I've read over this argument online all over the place.

It comes down to personal preference.

My purolator is %97.5 efficient at 20 microns and above.

Not sure what %efficiency a fram filter is.

But as particle size decreases the filter becomes less efficient.
Simply because if the filters were efficient with that small of particle size
Flow would become restricted and filter change intervals would be shortened.


But even fine particles are abrasive.
Just think of polishes of all sorts.
They are nothing but super fine abrasives that sand things smooth.

And granted a lot of this "dust" won't make any sort of noticeable visual difference over a period of time
But its just like wet sanding anything.

Your engine has moving parts that tend to see high rpms.
That rotate through this "polish"

The most wear in an engine occur from particle sizes between 5-20 microns.

And most engine oil filters are not as efficient below 30microns
And some below 20microns.

The only way to achieve filtration would be to mount a bypass type oil filtration system.
where a secondary high efficiency filter is mounted in the oil system
Then you can bring the filtering efficiency down to 1micron.

The main spin on filter would filter out the larger particles that would clog up the HE secondary filter.
Leaving the secondary filter to focus on smaller particles down in the 1-4 micron range.

Here's a list of manufacturers claims on their bypass filters filtration efficiency. From the fleet study on the link below.



Here was a study done evaluating the effectiveness of high efficiency filters on fleet vehicles with lots of corresponding data and oil analysis.

http://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/ofa/FAMS/evaloilfilters.pdf

One of the conclusions it comes down to is that passenger car oil filters are not as effective as they could be.
Which leads to decreased interval oil changes from the oil becoming saturated with particles.

As well as increased engine wear over time.

Passenger car filters aren't as good as everyone thinks they are.
And I know that a magnetic drain plug only pulls out ferrous material.
but Its better that nothing.

And hey if ever rebuild my engine I will incorporate a HE bypass type filter into the system.
It will allow me to increase my oil change intervals while keeping engine wear low.


And hey if your vehicle with almost 500,000 miles is good now.
What would it reach if you eliminated the fine wear in the engine 700k?900k?1,000,000?

Just because one thing is good doesn't mean it can't be better.
And also diesel engines have different oil and filtration requirements than gasoline engines.

[Jblair]

^2Nd. Thanks for research. Bosch isnt on that list, im curious.

[jason_]

I want it to pop. Reason to do all kinds of goodies.

It's bought me 3 houses and 3 more plays trucks, 2 cars, bought all my excavating equipment, paid the farm off, I fired up my own plow business based on savings from its income. I haul cross country. plus thousands in the bank. I fill the tank everyday and makes it back 6x everyday.

She well due for an overhaul just based upon how much it's made me. If I made money busting the million mile mark, maybe. Then again big block Cummins do that naturally on road tractors.

And you and I mentioned, personal preference.

Bigger fish to fry as they say. Each to their own.



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[rmoltis]

If you read the 58 page report on that link there is a lot more information than what's on that small table.

Search for HE Oil Filters;

From August to November 2003, DTSC staff compiled a list of HE filter manufacturers. Staff also assembled a collection of filters for possible selection and installation into State vehicles. Internet searches, phone contacts to manufacturers, and fleet operators’ referrals supplemented the manufacturer’s list. Ultimately, staff selected 24 HE filter manufacturers. In December 2003, staff prepared and sent a 21-point questionnaire 11 to the manufacturers about their filters’ features. By April 2004, staff compiled 13 completed questionnaires that represented three HE oil filter types: (1) remote mounted bypass, (2) centrifugal/bypass, and (3) combination spin-on/bypass.

Bypass Filters;

Table 7 lists the oil filter manufacturers’ information and performance claims. Manufacturers returned questionnaires about all three types of filters, but the majority were for remote-mounted bypass filters. The following manufacturers sent completed questionnaires: FiltaKleen, Filtration
Solutions, OilGuard, Oil Purification Systems, Perfect Filtration, Premo, and puraDYN. Amsoil and MotorGuard sent partially completed questionnaires. Centrifugal filters include Spinner II and Vortex. Fleetguard submitted information on both its centrifugal and a combination spin-on/bypass filter. Luberfiner/Champion also offered a combination spin-on/bypass filter. Some producers provided display or cutaway models for inspection.

Several major manufacturers did not reply to the inquiry, including Wix, Baldwin and Donaldson. Filter specification sheets are located in Appendix 6.

[getnpsi]

for all the guys who want their engines to pop make sure anything you add to your car can go right along to your next engine. I am NOT buying anything for my b3 that's for sure. If it does another 50,000 miles that's great but ill swap it into a dead car to flip. I want to go fast, and in 2014, not 2018 when its projected to die at 400k

[jason_]

I'm saving oil for my next engine rebuild.

Instead of full dumps, I've been just changing spin-on and adding a quart. Hehe, terrible isn't it? Been almost a year since it's virgin oil change since rebuild. No issues.

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[getnpsi]

Over time you still should drain it. Acids and bases form other chemicals when combined with moisture that shouldnt be part of oil in the long run

[jason_]

/me shrugs


Just a car.

Nothing serious or important in my eyes. Probably should drain out partial of urine, water, antifreeze, and diluted coffee I pured from previous hose blows and had to get by, that might not be good, but it sheds heat, so I didn't replace.


Oh, the list of that I could write of my terrible maintenence, and drive 60miles one way every day, even in blizzards, with no boots, Jacks, tools, heavy coat, sometimes without a phone,

and continue without a worry in the world......

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[getnpsi]

True, there is truth to daily drivers staying better off than a meticulous maintained anything on a trickle charger and "stabil." I've gone 30 miles daily for school, delivered pizzas in lots of cars, and never needed a starter, alternator, fuel pump in any of them. Other people...replaced once before 5 years old, then the remanufactred part dies in a year. Same locale, same weather much different uses.

[rmoltis]

Just got my transmission drain plug in the mail today.


I will be going to install it today and refill my trans with royal purple atf.
I have enjoyed my oil pan dimple drain plug magnets so much I wanted more.
They are top notch drain plug magnets guys.
And made in the usa.

[navdoc101]

Do you use the Royal Purple Max ATF?
Its made for Manual Trans.

[TorqueEffect]

I just grabbed one from AutoZone for the engine. Haven't looked for a transmission one there yet.

[rmoltis]

Do you use the Royal Purple Max ATF?
Its made for Manual Trans.

I am using royal purple atf yes.

I just grabbed one from AutoZone for the engine. Haven't looked for a transmission one there yet.

I didn't know they sold dimple magnets at autozone.
For the world's strongest drain plug magnet it is worth it.

[TorqueEffect]

I am using royal purple atf yes.





I didn't know they sold dimple magnets at autozone.
For the world's strongest drain plug magnet it is worth it.

They aren't dimple magnets unfortunately.