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  • #16
    My theory is - use bigger injectors, turn down initial fuel pressure with an adjustable FPR, then use the FMU to bring it up under boost. I've never done this though.

    I have also read that too low a pressure can cause problems with the injectors. However, I remember reading a project (which I can't find now to save my life) where a guy used an Arduino board to inject a little single cylinder engine, and he said that the injector worked fine even down to something like 10-12psi.
    Any difference that makes no difference is no difference.

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    • #17
      Why not just use an fmu? There's no need for bigger injectors with an fmu. The fmu makes the the injectors flow more than they are rated. I ran 10 lbs of boost for years like this
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      • #18
        If you can start at even 15psi fuel it would give you more room to boost while using a single fuel pump and keep max fuel pressure lower.
        Any difference that makes no difference is no difference.

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        • #19
          Injectors are rated at 43.5 psi. Not sure how they would react at less than half the pressure. Here is a chart for 600cc
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          • #20
            Originally posted by eurotiva View Post
            Why not just use an fmu? There's no need for bigger injectors with an fmu. The fmu makes the the injectors flow more than they are rated. I ran 10 lbs of boost for years like this
            How much fuel pressure did you have to supply to the fmu ? Would 90 psi be enough ?
            Last edited by Movin; 05-23-2015, 10:21 AM.
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            • #21
              There is also this. Go to bottom of page.

              http://www.witchhunter.com/injectorcalc1.php

              Found it. All the images are gone, but it was even lower pressure than I thought.

              Only 7psi, and they still worked fine.

              http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=8677.0

              The pump is a Mr. Gasket 7 psi. Before installing the injector I played with the pulse width by watching the spray patern on a piece of paper. My findings were that lots of small squirts are much better then longer ones, 2ms pulses are hardly visable and 100ms pulses are like pulling the trigger on a windex bottle.
              Last edited by sketchman; 05-23-2015, 10:44 AM.
              Any difference that makes no difference is no difference.

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              • #22
                Isn't mega squirt a fmu. I can't afford one of those. Lol
                Hence the question about swapping injectors, ecus, or vafs.
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                2002 Chevy Cavalier LS Sport 2.2L DOHC Ecotec (Threw a Rod)
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                • #23
                  Megasquirt an FMU? Lol

                  I suggest you break out of your cocoon and read, bud.

                  91GL BP/F3A with boost
                  13.79 @ 100, 2.2 60' on 8 psi and 155R12's

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                  • #24
                    With all the time and money you would spend trial and erroring combinations of VAF, injector, fuel pressure, rednecking it along the way you could have put together a MS kit for a few hundred and be 10x farther ahead.
                    91GL BP/F3A with boost
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bhazard View Post
                      Megasquirt an FMU? Lol

                      I suggest you break out of your cocoon and read, bud.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaSquirt
                      well can you blame me? Technically an ecu can be called a fmu since its main purpose is to manage fuel delivery. So I thought fmu might have been a different way of saying megasquirt.
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                      2002 Chevy Cavalier LS Sport 2.2L DOHC Ecotec (Threw a Rod)
                      1998 Chevy Monte Carlo LS 3.1 V6 (225k miles) Best MPG = 28

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                      • #26
                        Its just a fancier version of the regulator already on the fuel rail.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Movin View Post
                          Its just a fancier version of the regulator already on the fuel rail.
                          Yeah, just did an eBay search. They seem to be about $100. What ratio would be best? I plan to run about 8 or 10 psi of boost, nothing more to avoid throwing rods.
                          Last edited by TorqueEffect; 05-23-2015, 11:43 AM.
                          1991 Ford Festiva BP (Full Aspire/Rio Swap) (337k Miles) (Around 95k Engine)
                          2002 Chevy Cavalier LS Sport 2.2L DOHC Ecotec (Threw a Rod)
                          1998 Chevy Monte Carlo LS 3.1 V6 (225k miles) Best MPG = 28

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                          • #28
                            A lot of really good ideas, but unless you have spare engines look for the guys who have everything working good and a long history of no problems. It looks like even then you have choices but at least they are good ones!
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Movin View Post
                              A lot of really good ideas, but unless you have spare engines look for the guys who have everything working good and a long history of no problems. It looks like even then you have choices but at least they are good ones!
                              I've got a spare engine. Just a b3 though. I know turboing old engines is a gamble. Might even buy that other b3 for $75 that someone listed for ohiostiva. Can't have too many engines when you start running boost though them lol.
                              1991 Ford Festiva BP (Full Aspire/Rio Swap) (337k Miles) (Around 95k Engine)
                              2002 Chevy Cavalier LS Sport 2.2L DOHC Ecotec (Threw a Rod)
                              1998 Chevy Monte Carlo LS 3.1 V6 (225k miles) Best MPG = 28

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                              • #30
                                The boost doesn't kill the engine. Boosting for long periods of time and heat soaking the engine is what kills engines. On 8-10psi I would say you wouldn't be hindering the longevity of a stock engine. Now once you start turning that 1 knob that gives you more boost welllll then you will be putting a lot of strain on parts. More boost more pressure more heat it all goes together.
                                1988 Ford Festiva "Sonic" BPT g25mr MS2 standalone ecu, FOTY '11, Best Beater FMV, Fan Favorite FMVI

                                1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.slow

                                1996 Ford F-150

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