Cracked steel wheels

[GenevaDirt]

It is also not a coincidence that he is the only MORON (meant to be sarcastic or not...take it how you want....you are a MORON) out there driving his simple little Festy like a friggin race car and then whinning about it when something fails. What the hell do expect a stock part to do....they are made for NORMAL driving. We...meaning all of the other people on here....are not having an issue with our rims....why are you? Because you are a MORON! You drive like a MORON and anybody that gets into a car with you is a MORON. You are going to kill yourself and maybe someone else....not that it matters...
die.... more power to you....but don't put anyone else at jeapordy. And as far as being an amazing driver....HAAAAAAA...you are an out of control MORON. Oh, by the way.....did I mention you are a MORON!

[Festiva_Fred]

It is also not a coincidence that he is the only MORON (meant to be sarcastic or not...take it how you want....you are a MORON) out there driving his simple little Festy like a friggin race car and then whinning about it when something fails. What the hell do expect a stock part to do....they are made for NORMAL driving. We...meaning all of the other people on here....are not having an issue with our rims....why are you? Because you are a MORON! You drive like a MORON and anybody that gets into a car with you is a MORON. You are going to kill yourself and maybe someone else....not that it matters...
die.... more power to you....but don't put anyone else at jeapordy. And as far as being an amazing driver....HAAAAAAA...you are an out of control MORON. Oh, by the way.....did I mention you are a MORON!

I agree with you 100% GenevaDirt

[xanthinic12]

whats that saying.. arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarted?

im with tokyodrift here, hes not a vetern mechnic, i think, he drives his car like he wants. if he feels safe doing it and doesn't hurt anybody else then who care? geez quit being the e-bullie. he hasn't tried to offend anybody just defended himself. i think you all need to lay off.

oh yeah, with alot of hard driving, things break. in this case yea its the wheels (to answer the question)

[JPT]

whats that saying.. arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarted?

im with tokyodrift here, hes not a vetern mechnic, i think, he drives his car like he wants. if he feels safe doing it and doesn't hurt anybody else then who care? geez quit being the e-bullie. he hasn't tried to offend anybody just defended himself. i think you all need to lay off.

oh yeah, with alot of hard driving, things break. in this case yea its the wheels (to answer the question)

Dude, he's running on the ragged edge of control. This is the point that the unexpected will mess you up. All he needs is to have the wheel fail in the middle of a corner (the most likely time) or for the tire to fail or hit that mashed up squirrel, etc.

I know what I'm talking about. I used to be just like that. I know what it's like to back a car into the woods doing stuff like that. Done it 3 times. Once when a tire failed, once hitting some road kill and once for no reason.

Each time, I was lucky that there were no trees or boulders around, but I was also lucky that I didn't flip the car.

Maybe I'm lucky, I don't know, but I know of people who have done the same thing. They didn't get a second chance to do it again.

All I'm saying is why tempt fate? Is it worth it?

[GenevaDirt]

whats that saying.. arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarted?

im with tokyodrift here, hes not a vetern mechnic, i think, he drives his car like he wants. if he feels safe doing it and doesn't hurt anybody else then who care? geez quit being the e-bullie. he hasn't tried to offend anybody just defended himself. i think you all need to lay off.

oh yeah, with alot of hard driving, things break. in this case yea its the wheels (to answer the question)

LOL....you are right...arguing on the net is pointless...especially when one person says...hey I'll kick your butt...lol....but I was not arguing at all....I am just stating....HE IS A MORON! That is not arguing...just stating my opinion. He can drive his car the way he wants....but he is doing it around other people that have no control over what he does except to be in the way when he looses control. He veeres into the other lanes in the vids he posted...says its drifting when there is no drifting involved and then puts people he supposidly likes in his passenger seat and proceeds to take them on a death ride. One of these times the wheel will crack when he is on the downhill run and then we will not have to worry about it anymore. :happy11:

[MONSOON]

whats that saying.. arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarted?

Here you go.


Of course that doesnt make it any less fun!

[JPT]

Here you go.


Of course that doesnt make it any less fun!

^LOL!!! That's funny!

[FB71]

I'm sorry Jim, that post might have come across as sarcastic (wasn't trying to be). I was talking about a Festiva wheel.



Is this all with a Festiva (not sarcastic, serious question)? If so, I don't see an application where the brakes will see the heat that mine do on a 5 mile downhill course, slowing the car down from freeway speeds. (My friends are able to light cigarettes on the rotors at the bottom. I don't bring up a temp-gun so I don't know the exact temperature, but they're warm.) So now for a question (still not sarcastic), does the heat have as much, more, less, or none of an impact on the Festiva's steel wheels as the lateral forces from cornering that hard?

I would figure that the heat makes the Festiva steel wheel more brittle, then the cooler air at night would cause the metal to change temperature quicker, causing it to crack. And I didn't think the lateral forces were at fault because I don't think the tires have enough grip to apply THAT much force to the wheels. I could understand some race tires or decent street tires demolishing wheels like that, but 12's are generally used for trailer tires. The small tread width, and huge sidewalls should absorb most of the harsh cornering force... Right?

Thanks Jim, for actually responding without being aggressive or insulting. (again, not sarcastic)

ok, first, thanks for taking my responses seriously, and asking legitimate questions. It speaks much more to your character than we have seen so far.

Now, to answer your questions; Yes, all of that was done with a Festiva, specifically, Uncle Fester. I have put him thru hell and back. Yes, my rotors have been glowing after a rather lengthy downhill run, while towing a motorcycle trailer with three heavy cruisers on it (about 2000lbs). All done on a bone stock, 150K mile Festiva. Never once has a wheel failed.

Even though our rotors are not vented, they able to conduct away the heat rapidly enough for the heat to have no significant impact on the durability of the wheel. The rotor and hub bearings take the majority of the abuse. The wheel itself can shed what little heat it's subjected to fairly rapidly.

Lastly, even the stock 12" tires can exert significant side loading on the wheel, enough to cause the exact failures you have documented. FestYboy put it rather well;
"eventhough the tires are small, the pics you've shown earlier displayed excessive rollover on the sidewalls. that's an indication of excessive lateral loading, and when the sidewalls rollover like that it puts stupid amounts of pressure diagonaly across the rim (lower outer lip to upper inner lip). this might not seem to be the reason for the cracking, but remember that up to this point, evertyhing can still flex to deal with the stresses. what isn't flexing is the center of the rim where it mounts hard and flush with the hub. that area can't flex. that also happens to be where you're seeing the cracking, this isn't a coincidence (sp)."

Good job, Artie!

omgloltokyodrift, keep asking good questions like this, and I'll be glad to respond.

[sodikartracer]

It is also not a coincidence that he is the only MORON (meant to be sarcastic or not...take it how you want....you are a MORON) out there driving his simple little Festy like a friggin race car and then whinning about it when something fails. What the hell do expect a stock part to do....they are made for NORMAL driving. We...meaning all of the other people on here....are not having an issue with our rims....why are you? Because you are a MORON! You drive like a MORON and anybody that gets into a car with you is a MORON. You are going to kill yourself and maybe someone else....not that it matters...
die.... more power to you....but don't put anyone else at jeapordy. And as far as being an amazing driver....HAAAAAAA...you are an out of control MORON. Oh, by the way.....did I mention you are a MORON!

Well i have to agree that cars like the festiva were not designed to be driven that hard, but the fact is he does drive the car hard. As far as you stating that he is an out of control moron, you are wrong, i don't know if you have any racing background but if you did you could see that this guy has some skills and is not just keeping his right foot planted and holding on. Yes, Chris i watched it multiple times and i had to e-mail it to all of my racing buddies who agree that that was GREAT driving.

Dude, he's running on the ragged edge of control. This is the point that the unexpected will mess you up. All he needs is to have the wheel fail in the middle of a corner (the most likely time) or for the tire to fail or hit that mashed up squirrel, etc.

I know what I'm talking about. I used to be just like that. I know what it's like to back a car into the woods doing stuff like that. Done it 3 times. Once when a tire failed, once hitting some road kill and once for no reason.

Each time, I was lucky that there were no trees or boulders around, but I was also lucky that I didn't flip the car.

Maybe I'm lucky, I don't know, but I know of people who have done the same thing. They didn't get a second chance to do it again.

All I'm saying is why tempt fate? Is it worth it?

I know what you mean about being on the ragged edge of control, but He wasn't there. There is not much of a difference in times between driving 9/10ths of the limit and 10/10ths, but when driving at 9/10ths stuff like roadkill can be overcome, now 10/10ths, stuff like that can get you into trouble. And I know he was not driving at 10/10ths of the limit.

LOL....you are right...arguing on the net is pointless...especially when one person says...hey I'll kick your butt...lol....but I was not arguing at all....I am just stating....HE IS A MORON! That is not arguing...just stating my opinion. He can drive his car the way he wants....but he is doing it around other people that have no control over what he does except to be in the way when he looses control. He veeres into the other lanes in the vids he posted...says its drifting when there is no drifting involved and then puts people he supposidly likes in his passenger seat and proceeds to take them on a death ride. One of these times the wheel will crack when he is on the downhill run and then we will not have to worry about it anymore. :happy11:

You have every right to your opinion, but in your response you just described his passengers how I would describe a rally car co-driver. Why would a co-driver ever out themselves in harms way when they aren't the one in control of the car? Because they know the driver has total control and is very very talented. So why do people choose to ride with Chris? Because he knows what he is doing and has TONS of experience on that very road. Yes he veers into other lanes in the video, but he is on closed roads at night. And even if the road was not closed at least at night you would see the other cars headlights before you enter the corner. Also Chris never said he was drifting in that video, The Tokyo Drift reference in his name is a reference to an inside joke with his friends.

[JPT]

^ Chris has a 5 point harness for the passenger? Does the passenger wear a helmet? The car has a roll cage?

No, huh?

His passengers are just as stupid.

[GenevaDirt]

Well i have to agree that cars like the festiva were not designed to be driven that hard, but the fact is he does drive the car hard. As far as you stating that he is an out of control moron, you are wrong, i don't know if you have any racing background but if you did you could see that this guy has some skills and is not just keeping his right foot planted and holding on. Yes, Chris i watched it multiple times and i had to e-mail it to all of my racing buddies who agree that that was GREAT driving.


You have every right to your opinion, but in your response you just described his passengers how I would describe a rally car co-driver. Why would a co-driver ever out themselves in harms way when they aren't the one in control of the car? Because they know the driver has total control and is very very talented. So why do people choose to ride with Chris? Because he knows what he is doing and has TONS of experience on that very road. Yes he veers into other lanes in the video, but he is on closed roads at night. And even if the road was not closed at least at night you would see the other cars headlights before you enter the corner. Also Chris never said he was drifting in that video, The Tokyo Drift reference in his name is a reference to an inside joke with his friends.

What he is doing does not compare to co-piloting in a ralley race. They are paid and are PROFESSIONALS with tons of safety equipment driving cars that were designed to drive the way they are. I am sure that the people getting in the car are young and dumb and maybe impaired in there thinking for numerous reasons. I do not say the previouse sentence to offend. That car is not set up for anything other then normal driving on the road and if they saw what was happening to his wheels on the way down that hill I am sure they would change their minds knowing how close they are coming to wrecking or dying. It is a thrill when they make it down I am sure but as far as that being a closed road....do you mean it is night and no one is on it or it is actually a closed road? If it is just no one is ever on it....then he is even more of a MORON because some of the corners he is going around and the speed he is traveling would not allow enough time to react to an oncoming car....even if he was actually capabale of doing so.

[BigElCat]

The 2 videos; the cracked wheels AND the hard driving Festy each strike me as being high quality hoaxes. I can't speculate why anyone would go to the time and trouble to fabricate these videos, so maybe I'm wrong.

I've never seen steel wheels crack anywhere except at the welds. Aluminum cracks. Steel can be torn under extreme stress like a collision.

The hard driving Festy is professionally shot at the beginning, and then video looped. The loop is also professional and seamless. Notice you see the same guardrail and same curves repeatedly. The chase cam driver is incredibly talented, to the point of being suspicious. This isn't a youngster strapping a camcorder to the front bumper of a Honda.

I'd say Disney Pixar type employee goofing around on lunch break. Some of the footage is legit, though.

[Pu241]

Steel can be torn under extreme stress like a collision.

Maybe he's suppressing new technology that cracks steel?

Man, no matter what I might think of his antics I do believe he did make the drive!
I hadn't realized you had such vast experience in film editing!
Perhaps you picked this up in cruising the Internet to complete your education?
Hey, maybe it can be explained in some way by creationism?

[GenevaDirt]

Sodikart....here is a statement from your buddy from just a few months ago...I suppose he has gained professional status since this one.....
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There are about four different roads to choose from in this area, and this is the one of preference because of it's tighter turns and slower speeds. It's more like an AutoX course, only getting to third gear two or three times. (Second tops out at 55 mph)

Great driving skills? I know I'm still new to driving. I'm still learning something new everyday. Whether it's sitting in traffic, or spinning the car around to make a U turn, I love to drive. I've only been driving for three years now, and need all the experience I can get.

quaddawg's car was running SUPER grippy tires. I saw that thread, and he wasn't running the low offset Diamond Racing wheels. His track width was much narrower and that made the car less stable. The race tires grabbed, the suspension hooked, and the car rolled. Traction roll.

I don't try and take people for rides. But I don't say "no" if they ask to ride. There's a bunch of rumors and stories going around about that car from previous passengers, so EVERYONE wants to ride, which gets kind of annoying. I keep within my limits when driving up there. I slow down a lot with others in the car, because it's not JUST my risk, it's mine, and the others in the car.

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then he feels even though he stats he is new to driving....he knows what he is talking about and makes comments about Quad flipping his Festy.

Then rereading the original post....this is not a closed course or road...it is just early in the morning and " there are not that many people driving that road at 2am "...according to him. All it takes is one....and that person could be dead. Like I said....who cares what he does to his life....but he is involving others.

[BigElCat]

It's what hot rodders and off-roaders have been saying for many years regarding wheels; an aluminum rim can't be bent, because it will crack first. As compared to a steel wheel, which will bend but not crack. My own experience is consistent with this.

Has anybody here ever seen a cracked steel wheel other than in this video?