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    Figured since this is the garage section, and its dedicated to builds, then what better place to chronicle the building of my new garage. If it needs to be moved to general or OT then thats fine too, but I wanted to put it here if thats ok.

    So far, nothing has been started on it, just have a Bobcat operator I know from work coming to look at the lay of the land. Unfortunately my whole lot is sloped, but I've picked the spot that should require the least "remodeling" to make a nice flat base for a slab. I chose 20x24 since thats about the biggest I could go with the space I have without adding on a couple extra days of bobcat work and a couple truckloads of fill dirt. It will have a standard sloped roof with a 5/12 pitch, since thats about the only "neighborhood" code that will apply to it lol, they just didn't want lean-to sheds popping up everywhere cause we are in the south lol and they would.

    My plan is that after the 20x24 slab is poured, I will build a smaller extension on the back of the shop (probably about 6') up on stilts and concrete piers with a wood floor which will house my compressor, a bunch of tools and eventually my tire machine and balancer (when I get them lol). So in the end I will have about 20x30 useable space. Even if I don't get to build an extension though, I have a separate 20x24 bay in my shop at work that is walled off (used to be a paint bay, not anymore) that I've had to work in a couple of times, and its not too bad, would just have to house my "big" tools elsewhere to keep the floor space open.

    20x24 will be HUGE for a festiva, Should be able to get four of them in there with nothing else in it lol, but this is going to be my actual shop as I work on getting my auto repair business off the ground, so I need it big enough to hold a full size car with the door closed.

    Other than the concrete I'll be doing this as cheaply as possible with CL and building surplus stuff, hoping to keep the budget under $5000 total, about half of what HD charges for their pre-fab 20x24 shop building installed (which doesn't include a slab. I'm confident I can do it, the Bobcat stuff will be cheap cause I know the guy and will likely be trading away some (hopefully all) of the labor for some work he needs done on one of his trucks. The slab I will be finishing myself (done a fair bit of concrete work myself back when I was in construction) with the help of a couple of retired contractors I used to work with who don't have much else going on and welcome the chance to get out and play in the mud once in a while lol. The rest of it will be stick built by yours truly, finished out in a nice shiny green tin roof and grey vinyl siding to match the house

    So for those who have garages, I'd love to get any pics, tip, etc about anything pertaining to this, things you did, things to avoid, things you wish you did, whatever! I'm all ears! Just please don't tell me that 20x24 is not big enough. I've worked in that kind of space before even on full size trucks, and it is big enough for me.

    Things I've already been told by folks I've talked to:
    1. Make sure you put in twice as many outlets as you think you'll need, that way you'll only wish you had one or two more.
    2. Make sure you have a sink.
    3. Windows. You will wish you had them.
    4. Large gable ventilation fan on opposite end of rollup door.
    5. ?


    This is the basic style I'm planning on, only with the roll-up door centered and the entry door on the right hand side (closer up the hill to the house)

    Last edited by htchbck; 02-24-2012, 08:06 AM.
    No festiva for me ATM...

  • #2
    That's a nice efficient size. My brother rents a 20'W X 40'D shop, and it's about perfect. 20' is plenty wide IMO, the length is usually where issues arise. I've been looking at building a 20'W X 36'D building in my back yard. My plan was to pour the concrete myself and put up one of those steel building kits that look like a carport, then enclose the ends. They are pretty cheap and since they don't have any internal ceiling beams, the entire area is wide open all the way up to the peak. I figure if I buy one with 10' side walls, I can install a cheap Harbor Freight 4-post lift. My estimate was about $10 total for concrete, building and lift.
    Brian

    93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
    04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
    62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

    1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
    Not enough time or money for any of them

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    • #3
      Originally posted by blkfordsedan View Post
      $10
      TEN DOLLARS?! :eeeeeek:
      In love with a MadScientist!:thumbright:
      There's a fine line between breathtaking ingenuity and "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen!"

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      • #4
        Yep yep
        1992 white L, Bp, American racing 13's, stock trans.
        1991 White L, BP/F5MR, protege header, full aspire swap with gr2's, seats, and sway bar, 15" konig's, short throw, escort console.
        1991 blue L, 5 speed.
        1988 red L-plus-all stock.

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        • #5
          Got the estimate for 'crete today, gonna be about $1000 with us finishing it. I'd thought about the "carport" type deals but a couple of the neighbors are already pretty picky and they really wouldn't like the idea of something that wasn't stick built lol. The "covenants" already state that you can't run a business out of the neighborhood, but folks have agreed that since its going to be well out of the way (way down behind the house at the woodline) and not really generate any extra traffic to the area it doesn't really bother them, so I'd like not to push it anymore.

          I'm not planning to have a lift in this shop anyway, as I've been used to working without lifts at home, at work I have an asym and a 4-poster lol so I've experienced both worlds. If things really do take off like I hope over the next few years then I will likely be building a bigger shop on dad's property about 15 mins away from my house and I will put in a lift there and just have my little shop at home for whenever I need to use it.

          One thing I have going for me is that I have a 10x12 shed already, and also a full basement that we don't really use, so I will not have to worry about needing the shop for storage or any yard tools, mower, etc, so it will be strictly automotive in there. I'd love to have it longer though, and if I can convince my buddy at work to just drop off the 'cat for a couple days and let me run it (so I'm not paying labor, just gas) then I'll most likely go ahead and make everything flat out to 30'. The main reason I'd decided to stick with 24 was grading and concrete costs, plus the fact that I have working in a 20x24 bay before and it wasn't bad, but the concrete won't be that much worse, and if I'm doing the bobcat work myself it won't kill me if it take a while longer
          No festiva for me ATM...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DriverOne View Post
            TEN DOLLARS?! :eeeeeek:
            LOL, Sorry....make that $10K
            Brian

            93L - 5SP, FMS springs, 323 alloys, 1st gen B6, ported head & intake, FMS cam, ported exhaust manifold w/2-1/4" head pipe.
            04 Mustang GT, 5SP, CAI, TFS plenum, 70mm TB, catted X, Pypes 304SS cat-back, Hurst Billet+ shifter, SCT/Bama tuned....4.10's & cams coming soon
            62 Galaxie 2D sedan project- 428, 3x2V, 4SP, 3.89TLOC

            1 wife, 2 kids, 9 dogs, 4 cats......
            Not enough time or money for any of them

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            • #7
              I have a 20x24 attached and a 16x24 detached. I use the detached for festivas. Its a good size.
              -Greg
              Euro-bprt...WORLDS FASTEST FESTIVA !!! 11.78@115.9
              BP, G trans, Megasquirt/ 550cc inj. t3/t3 (tbird) Garrett, REAR TURBO!!!! AND AC!!!!
              Redneck Engineer
              FOTY - '09
              5x Festiva Madness Attendee...FM 3,4,5,6,8
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCZ7...9Pwqw-oe8s2OYQ
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_eX...9Pwqw-oe8s2OYQ

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              • #8
                Any pics of the 20x24 working on a car in it Greg? I've been looking at bobcat rentals today and I can get one for a day for about $300 delivered. Not outrageous, so I may go that route. If I have them drop it off at 8am and pick it up same time next day I should be able to get in close to 12 hours before it gets dark. Might do some cleaning up of some brush and a front yard stump while I'm at it and see if the neighbors need anything done lol get the most out of it :-)
                No festiva for me ATM...

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                • #9
                  Rental guys: "We got it back in great shape! Only problem is, it's missing a motor."

                  Htchbck: "I'm not sure where the motor is. It must have been stolen while I was no where near it."

                  Vinyl shop: "Mr. Chapman, your 'Powered by Caterpillar' vinyl is ready."

                  Htchbck:

                  In love with a MadScientist!:thumbright:
                  There's a fine line between breathtaking ingenuity and "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen!"

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                  • #10
                    Nah, I'd do a little YanMar diesel, those Cat units are a little too thirsty for my taste in a festiva :razz: Can't wait till tomorrow as long as it doesn't rain I'll be out in the backyard measuring things out and figuring everything up. *fingers crossed* So excited to finally be this close to building my garage! AND I'm doing it with wifey's blessing, probably the most important ingredient of the whole mix, unless I want to end up moving out of the house into it lol
                    No festiva for me ATM...

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                    • #11
                      get a garage door that is in sections rather than the kind like you find in a mini storage building, a lot less trouble & smoother operating 18 x 8 would be a good size or 16 x 8. the ribbed steel commercial are a little cheaper than the raised panel residential one shown in your pic above.
                      Never Hire a Boy to do a Man's Job!!

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                      • #12
                        Now you need to give your place a name!
                        In love with a MadScientist!:thumbright:
                        There's a fine line between breathtaking ingenuity and "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen!"

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                        • #13
                          Danny, gotta keep the door width down enough to have it centered and still an entry door on the front side, as the terrain on the other three sides of the building with not be flat enough. So max probably a 12' width on the door. Don't need it opening full width because even though it will be a "2 car size" garage, it will not be used for more than one vehicle at a time since it will be a working shop, not a storage area, and will not be set up with room for more than one vehicle

                          Dustin... no need to name it yet, as there is no shop yet :razz: But I've known for a while that when I actually start my real business it will be called "Sparkplug Automotive". Decided to stick with a name given to me by some friends back in college lol, Sparkplug is also my user name on the Miata forums now, since I had to make a new one when I couldn't retrieve my password from my "htchbck" account there. Plus "htchbck Automotive" just make it look like I can't spell But "HTCHBCK" will fit on a license plate, which is why I chose it in the first place. But then again, so will "SPRKPLG" lol
                          No festiva for me ATM...

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                          • #14
                            Here is a pic. Its 16x24 and I have workbenches and shelves on both sides. Festivas fit even better
                            Last edited by eurotiva; 02-24-2012, 08:33 PM.
                            -Greg
                            Euro-bprt...WORLDS FASTEST FESTIVA !!! 11.78@115.9
                            BP, G trans, Megasquirt/ 550cc inj. t3/t3 (tbird) Garrett, REAR TURBO!!!! AND AC!!!!
                            Redneck Engineer
                            FOTY - '09
                            5x Festiva Madness Attendee...FM 3,4,5,6,8
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCZ7...9Pwqw-oe8s2OYQ
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_eX...9Pwqw-oe8s2OYQ

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                            • #15
                              That would be perfect if I was just doing festivas (and wish I had a rail buggy lol). But I think the extra 4' width will be nice especially when I have an F150 or something in there Can't wait to break ground, wifey is 100% with me on this since it will mean the end of my pizza job except for saturday nights (still can't quite shake it lol) but I will be home 6 nights out of the week once its done After going over the lay of the land a bit more I've decided that I'll be building a block foundation and backfilling with a mini-skid-steer Should be fun, I've run regular 'cats before but never a baby one lol. My Bobcat guy from work came out and looked at it this evening, and while where I'm building won't interfere with the field line for the septic tank, the layout of my yard would require him to drive over it multiple times with his 10,000# 262C, and thats not something either of us thought was a good idea :lol: So I will be digging footers starting maybe this weekend, then dusting off my trust spade trowel and mortarboard (no not the one from graduation lol) and seeing if I still remember how to lay block after a few years of not exercising that skill. My highest run should only be 4 blocks high (32") so hopefully it won't be too terrible :lol: At least it will be fun, and when its all done and people say "Wow, who did you get to build your shop?" I can say "It was all me" lol Pics tomorrow if its not raining and I have the time!
                              Last edited by htchbck; 02-24-2012, 09:38 PM.
                              No festiva for me ATM...

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