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  • #16
    Well I have it sorted out...

    The stalling was the disturbulator, the stumble was at 1/2 a tank of gas and below, this means a hose below the pump. I filled the tank and took it up to 78 mph.

    Tomorrow I will pull the pump and fix the hose.

    My delima was I was looking for 1 cause not 2 and thats what made it strange. It acted like spark , then fuel...

    This car came out of a Mazda dealers stock, they sold it to a smaller dealer and I bought it. It was considered too expensive to fix. Had it not been parked for 9 months I could have gotten it with a good battery...

    Costs...
    Car $700
    Battery $75
    Dist $142
    Registering will be $25-$40
    Hose I have..
    Overall not a bad deal.

    PROBLEMS SOLVED

    Now on to the A/C and Heat.
    Last edited by LordOfTheCars; 05-21-2012, 10:52 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by FB71 View Post
      that's called a break out box. Been around since the 80's. I have a 60 pin (EEC-IV) and 104 pin (EEC-V) and adapters for the carb, '89 EFI and '90-'93 EFI. I also have an EEC-IV Data Recorder (cassette recorder!). Ancient technology...
      I stopped at the 60 and that was because I was pin testing instead
      of using it, and yes, you bring back memories!!

      I try to convert our training, knowledge and high tech to something
      anyone can do...using easily obtainable tools.
      Reflex paint by Langeman...Lifted...Tow Rig

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Movin View Post
        I stopped at the 60 and that was because I was pin testing instead
        of using it, and yes, you bring back memories!!

        I try to convert our training, knowledge and high tech to something
        anyone can do...using easily obtainable tools.
        I just got an EEC V last year, I don't work at a dealer but I get my fair share of Fords... I picked the box up after I got an escort that had multiple problems in the harness... intermitant no start, no run and no charge all at different times...

        Someone did a motor swap and stretched the harness with an engine hoist....

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        • #19
          There is no hose below the pump, only the sock.

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          • #20
            From 1/2 a tank down perfprmance takes a dive, What ever is going on I will be giving it a look see, could be that the tank sensor sucks and its actually empty or close to empty with a bad sock. What ever it may be I will hav to put some eyes on it.

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            • #21
              likely it's the intermediate hose between the pump and top of the sending unit... they like to rot and loose seal.
              Trees aren't kind to me...

              currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
              94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by FestYboy View Post
                likely it's the intermediate hose between the pump and top of the sending unit... they like to rot and loose seal.
                I pulled it out today, the pump output plugs directly to a steel line with an O ring... the tank sock looked like heck so I changed it, before I unplug the pump from the line I will obtain an O ring selection...

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                • #23
                  ok, i guess the 89 sending unit is different than the rest of the EFI cars as well... learn something new every day!
                  Trees aren't kind to me...

                  currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                  94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                  • #24
                    If this does not stop the power loss I will be pulling the tank unit back out and I will snap a pic for reference when I replace the O ring.
                    Last edited by LordOfTheCars; 05-23-2012, 08:59 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FestYboy View Post
                      ok, i guess the 89 sending unit is different than the rest of the EFI cars as well... learn something new every day!
                      That type (with the O ring) is the only kind I've ever seen (2). 93 and 91.
                      Last edited by georgeb; 05-23-2012, 09:02 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Well I took it out today and it stumbled a couple times when it went half way between 3/4 and 1/2 a tank.

                        I am going in to change the O ring, wondering if it's a strange pump problem... after filling it was well mannered... STRANGE.

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                        • #27
                          Well it does not just stall anymore...

                          I did have a problem below 1/2 a tank that when filled ceased... Today I went down a rough country road and on a full tank it was doing the power loss at cruise speed. it drops down and comes back repeatedely... When I changed the sock in the tank the pump was rusty, I think it has some problems.

                          Sunday I am going to add a fuel pressure guage to te car and drive it to see if the pressure drops... I had no fuel leaking through the regulator. I doubt it is the VAF.

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                          • #28
                            i had all kinds of problems like this when i bought my car. i pulled my pump and there was a 1/4 tank of rust in the bottom of the tank lol. i emptied that out and cleaned it up and put the pump out of my sti in it. runs great now lol.
                            97 Montego Blue Miata
                            03 GSXR 1000: power commander, full exhaust, k&n, tre
                            04 Subaru WRX STi: accessport stg2, 3" turbo back, perrin intake
                            SOLD: Turbo ls1 Focus, BP Festiva

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                            • #29
                              my 90 has a hose, and an Aspire I did recently had a hose.

                              Neither had that symptom
                              Last edited by Movin; 05-27-2012, 10:35 AM.
                              Reflex paint by Langeman...Lifted...Tow Rig

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                              • #30
                                I would have gotten back to this but I spent the better part of the last 3 days not feeling to well and the better part of today in the ER...

                                I hope to get my *stuff* together and get a pressure tester on it in the next day or two.

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