Oh local law enforcement...

[NovaSS]

Ah to be young again and hassled by EVERYBODY over 30 !

Why do they pick on teenage drivers in hot rods? Because they have a bad record. When I was 16 I had a 55 Chevy with a 300 HP 327 that got me into trouble all the time ( okay I admit it was me who got me into trouble).

Part of being a police officer is to be visible, to make you look over your shoulder before you try something, this way maybe you will not do it.

Your just paying your dues, soon you will be 45 and you CANT get them to pull you over ! I have a big block pro street Nova and soon as they see my old ass driving it they just look the other way , but so do the cute girls

[packrat427]

^^ Watch it now , I realize there are a few that have no business wearing a badge , But 90% deserve the same treatment ?????
I don't think so .

I think so. I used to know of a guy who bought his drugs from cops. Locally, thanks to the local news, the cops were busted for partying while on the job at a house they had collectively bought for a purpose. This is WHILE they were being paid with our tax dollars. I never see cops doing anything about real crime and constantly seeing them harassing people just going out on the weekends trying to have some fun. How many times do we see cops speeding, driving wrecklessly, blowing red lights, tailgating other drivers WITHOUT their lights on? Just this past week I was watching a cop trying to get motorists to speed by driving two feet behind their rear ends. Another time I saw a cop almost hit children crossing the road. Cops are out of control. A good 90% of them I'd say. Think about it, how many times have you lost money to crooks and compare it how much you have lost money to extortionist cops? I think I lost $20 to a guy who stole it from me on a plane. But all the speeding tickets that cops have extorted out of us. What's the difference between mafia like gangsters and cops? I don't see any. Both use the money they steal to pay themselves more and buy things that will allow them to steal more from people faster. Don't get me started on how many people cops murder each year. While being paid with OUR tax dollars, they are rude to us, they assault us, intimidate us, they violate our rights and freedom, they do next to nothing about real crime, they are cynical, SOBs. I was watching a documentary about them and the protests going on in Washington and New York. The cops were admitting they don't care about the laws, they just care about "order and control" and will violate laws and get away with it because the courts/judges are just as corrupt. This is one of the things wrecking our country. This is why after Katrina they rioted in New Orleans because the people there were governed at the barrel of a gun and they hate those that control them. Government thinks they can control everyone all the time. But the reality is it's like a drunk guy in a bar waving a gun around. As soon as he drops that gun, everyone's going to pounce. Yet if government learns, or is made to remember that it's the people that control them and pay them then they'll behave themselves more. You can't rule by force. Sorry what comes around goes around.

Well this may end up in the Arena :x
where do you live first off , and maybe it's just 90 % in your town , it sounds like it .
Like I said there are as few that don't belong behind a badge , But not all of them .
Are you a habitual law breaker ? , It sounds like you hate police officers , who do you call when someone breaks into your house,car ,or when you are involved in a accident ??
I can't speak for the large cities that do have corrupt dept's , cities so big ,that people would never find out things , and once a corrupt officer gets a taste of drugs to sell or money to keep someone free , it is hard to turn back , and usually ends up getting caught in the end.
Not all dept's are like that , If someone here tailgated someone ,or intimidated them to break the law, it is going to be time off w/o pay and could lead up to termination , Our Dept does not put up with the things you say you see , The people would turn you in guaranteed .
So if you are witnessing all this stuff you see ,as everyone else ,and are doing nothing about it ,and let the police in your town get away with it ,then you need to look at yourself and ask why do we let this go on ?

[festivareal]

A few bad cops seems to give them all a bad name. I have a few friends that are cops and I can personally say that not all cops are bad. Most cops don't want to write tickets if they don't have too, alot has to do with your attitude when they stop you.

This whole addage about "a few bad apples" is a bunch of horsemanure. There aren't a few bad cops. Most of them are bad. The crap about "the media is showing it more" is also horse manure. The media doesn't show half of the crimes police commit on and off duty.

[25Horseplay]

Well then I guess Doug "packrat 427" must not be a good guy or atleast might not be!

[Guest]

I know quite a few officers and I'd have to say that the majority are good people that have families, normal lives etc.. just people. But that is not to say I haven't ran into a few of those "I AM COP, YOU MUST KNEEL" types..

It really depends on the relationship between the IAD and the dept. If they're sweet on each other, corruption can be a problem.

[festivareal]

Well this may end up in the Arena :x
where do you live first off , and maybe it's just 90 % in your town , it sounds like it .

Are you kidding? The town I live in is MELLOW compared to the towns some of you guys live in.

Like I said there are as few that don't belong behind a badge , But not all of them

You mean few who don't belong behind bars. IMHO they are no different than a mafia organization.

Are you a habitual law breaker ?

I'm a habitual law abiding patriotic American. Are you a sheep? A slave a coward? You don't have to be a law breaker to see that the police are habitual law breakers. I don't even speed because I'm trying to get the best gas mileage I can.

It sounds like you hate police officers

It sounds like you are naive and live with blinders on. Assigning emotional attributes to grievances is a common tactic yet I see police "officers" as I see cancer. They are a problem that can or has gotten out of control, and there needs to be a cure to it. I don't hate them or like them. I am however passionate about my beliefs that they are a SERIOUS problem that needs to be addressed.

who do you call when someone breaks into your house,car ,or when you are involved in a accident ??

EXACTLY! Who do you call?!! When someone steals your property and it just happens to be recovered do you get it back?!!!! NO! It is held by the courts as evidence. The police only come to accidents to verify they took place as it is too costly to send rescue vehicles to every phone call into 911. It would be faster for accident victims just to phone the fire department or EMS themselves instead of waiting for the police to verify it wasn't a crank call as they think most are. You can find the information on the internet regarding the utter IRRESPONSIBILITY of 911 operators. There's a big problem with them too and it's because they are associated with the police.


On the other hand consider this. How many times have the police tow your cars and hold it for randsom (the cost of towing) or extortion, which is the ticket you have to pay to get it back. Recently a young woman was raped to death because the police had her car towed and when she got out of work she was all alone at night. A couple years ago the police stole a friend mine's car, the charges were false and he got off. Yet THEY STILL AUCTIONED OFF HIS CAR and used the money FOR THEMSELVES. In my mind there is no difference between that and grand theft.

Again ask yourself to compare how much has been stolen from you in your lifetime by "criminals" such as lifting your wallet, etc. and how much has been stolen/extorted from you by police - parking tickets, towing, speeding tickets etc. Most of us will find that sometimes over 1000s of dollars has been stolen from us by police who just like common criminals and mafia and drug cartels use the money to buy themselves more equipment to victimize more people. Once a "criminal" stole $20 from me.

I can't speak for the large cities that do have corrupt dept's , cities so big ,that people would never find out things , and once a corrupt officer gets a taste of drugs to sell or money to keep someone free , it is hard to turn back , and usually ends up getting caught in the end.

In the end?! What end? Reality is not like a story book. This thing keeps going on. There is no end. When more and more cops know they can get away with it, know that just because they are driving a police cruiser or have a badge and can commit crimes because of it, more and more do it. You are really naive to think this just goes on in large cities. If anything it's worse in smaller towns with less people watching, less lawyers to defend the victims and less checks balances.

Not all dept's are like that , If someone here tailgated someone ,or intimidated them to break the law, it is going to be time off w/o pay and could lead up to termination

Spare me the horse manure. Time off without pay? Oh boohoo. The crimes police commit against their victims amount to FAR MORE loss to these victims than a day or two lost pay. I see it in the most well to do communities more than I see it in the ghettos.


What's more the fallout from what police do to people legally is damaging to society enough. Police seem to forget that because of little words written down in little books (aka laws) that most of us did not approve of or vote on is MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM than peoples LIVES that they are destroying. To some who's income is $500 a month a $180 speeding ticket is far more damaging than it would be to an executive making $18000 a month. That's not justice. To the executive it would mean forgoing a few cocktails at the golf club, to the one earning $500 a month it would mean forgoing meals for their family. Now why is it that every time I see a cop pulled someone over it is someone driving an old beater? Why do the police get such glee out of preying on the poor?

Our Dept does not put up with the things you say you see , The people would turn you in guaranteed .

So you're saying if I complained about cops misbehavior then people would turn me in your Dept?

So if you are witnessing all this stuff you see ,as everyone else ,and are doing nothing about it ,and let the police in your town get away with it ,then you need to look at yourself and ask why do we let this go on ?

Maybe you need a reality check and learn something about the word RETRIBUTION. A guy in my old neighborhood once complained about the police and I think it may have gotten in the news. Thereon after the police harassed him, had cars parked outside his home and tailed him to work. The media has reported some incidents of cops using the resources granted to them by the state to look up individuals personal records and publish it on the internet, stalk and harass those people. My friend who's car was stolen from him by the cops was afraid to sue because of cops using intimidation tactics and retribution against people that have done similar things in his area.

Now I came back to this thread because today I stumbled upon police thugs commiting assualt with deadly weapons on Americans practicing their FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS and laughing about it afterwards.

Good video. I have another about police beating up an old lady who didn't want to leave her home in New Orleans AFTER the Katrina hurricane.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/170806_rubber_bullets.html

[festivareal]

I know quite a few officers and I'd have to say that the majority are good people

I know an ex cop with a good family that quit the police because of the corruption he saw among them. I'm not just talking about the police who commit crimes like selling drugs and weapons. I'm talking about those who use their jobs well within the confines of the law to abuse, bully and intimidate people with less power than them. I'm talking about the cops that loaf around on their jobs, giggle about harassing people and have meeting places with other cops that they go to to while away the salaried hours and do nothing. I'm talking about even when someone is under arrest how police often assault them and use deadly force upon them. In this nation we are PRESUMED INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. Committing violence against a suspect and jailing them is not a presumption of innocence, it's a presumption of guilt. Yet I'm also talking about the milder things cops do like I mentioned before, running red lights, speeding, violating traffic laws (all without their lights on just because they are driving a police cruiser). I'm talking about how police will put their knees on the backs of old ladies when they are arresting them. I'm talking about how police will block miles and miles of traffic just to pull over one motorist. I'm talking about how police will drive 120 miles per hour endangering the lives of all those around them to aprehend someone who was driving 70mph in a 55mph zone. I'm talking about those police who will in school zones do a U-turn in the middle of busy traffic with children crossing the road nearby spraying rocks and gravel at those children to aprehend a motorist who didn't happen to see the flashing light that was indicating the school speed limit just because that cop wants to collect aka extort more revenue for his department. I'm talking about those cops that seem to forget that we pay their salaries and are rude to old ladies in ordinary traffic stops.

Now to compare cops and common criminals. You know where you can go or where to avoid places to avoid the chances of being victimized by a common criminal, yet there is NOWHERE you can go to avoid being victimized by a cop. They are in almost every town and city. Common criminals are only in a few ghettos and bad areas of cities.

[Gforcefd]

Festival real, this is General discussion not a arena so dont start picking fights with packrat over his opinions. Sorry you seem to have such a problem with law enforcement in your area, but alot of us have good law enforcement in our towns.

Logan

[festivareal]

Why do they pick on teenage drivers in hot rods?

I have a theory about that. It's because young adults haven't had their spirits pounded out of them yet. They aren't enslaved by debt, mortgage payments and the rest of it. Based on their personality types (SJ is it?) cops are envious of their perception of freedom and are sure to be there to pound it out of them early on while they can remember it.

Because they have a bad record.

I don't know how you can have a bad record at 16 when you don't have any record.

Part of being a police officer is to be visible, to make you look over your shoulder before you try something, this way maybe you will not do it.

No that's part of what it is to be a prison camp warden in a WWII concentration camp, not a police officer in a supposedly free society. I don't know anyone who goes about their daily lives thinking they might try and commit a crime. People are just trying to live their lives. BUt I do wonder if there are any cops that wake up in the morning daily and say to themselves, "Today I'm going to ruin as many peoples' lives as I can."

Soon you will be 45 and you CANT get them to pull you over !

Oh I know. By then you're beaten down and indoctrinated. All the sense of freedom has been whipped out of you.

I'm not so young as you think.

[packrat427]

Well I don't understand this ..
Festivareal says ..
[So you're saying if I complained about cops misbehavior then people would turn me in your Dept? ]

I said If you see all this taking place then why do you let it continue ??
I ,and others don't see it like you do .If it is so bad do something about it , you have the right to file a complaint against an officer .
If your town is so mellow , then where does the tailgating to make them speed, almost hitting children and all this corrupt activity take place .
I know the U.S. in a whole is not perfect ,and things take place that you and I will never know nothing about .
But here too many people watching you , they complain and then there is a investigation , if you are guilty , you are going to have time off and up to termination depending on the severity .
I see it , so don't tell me how it is .
And I don't need a reality check. we fight crime and drugs and don't prey on the poor ..

[festivareal]

Festival real, this is General discussion not a arena so dont start picking fights with packrat over his opinions.

Uhm pardon me it was I giving my opinion and packrat that was "picking a fight" ie disagreeing with what I was saying. If you read the thread you'll see this. Just because your opinion is similar to packrat's doesn't mean it is right for you to accuse me of "picking the fight."

Sorry you seem to have such a problem with law enforcement in your area, but alot of us have good law enforcement in our towns.

Logan

Sorry but it's not just in my area and I disagree if you knew of everything that goes on in the police depts. in your towns I'm sure you would be either disagree with it to being completely outraged.

[festivareal]

I said If you see all this taking place then why do you let it continue ??

Did you not read the part about retribution?

I ,and others don't see it like you do.

I'm sorry but there is a growing body of citizens that do see it like I do. Those who don't speak out against it are either afraid to, too cowardly and like to be bullied or have something to gain from supporting the police. Kinda like those who put "I support the police" stickers on their cars to avoid getting pulled over. Unfortunately we still live in a feudal society.

then where does the tailgating to make them speed, almost hitting children and all this corrupt activity take place .
I know the U.S. in a whole is not perfect ,and things take place that you and I will never know nothing about .

Uhm I have something called a memory, and take note of these things as they happen over time. If they happen seldom enough then no one is going to complain are they, but to me once is too much.

But here too many people watching you , they complain and then there is a investigation , if you are guilty , you are going to have time off and up to termination depending on the severity.

Time off and termination? What is a badge a get out of jail free card? Why aren't they fined, or jailed? Some of the things cops do and that I'm talking about are crimes for us ordinary folk.

we fight crime and drugs and don't prey on the poor ..

Horseshit. I live near a big city and I see crowds of cops swarming around on weekends trying to ruin peoples good time but a friend of mine (he's an old man in his 60s) who lives in the ghetto seldom gets a response to his 911 calls.

[packrat427]

If you can't fight them then join them ,
I am done arguing with you over this , You have your opinion and I have mine and that all I got to say about that .
You seem like you know too much .

This is not the arena ,so watch your language .