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  • I've got a mystery here

    My little 88 L "Cherry Bomb" has a cylinder issue. When I rescued it, it was running on three cylinders. I narrowed it down to the # 3 cylinder that was not firing. When I replaced all four plugs, there was baked-on carbon all over the electrodes of the # 3 plug. I changed the wires, cap and rotor. It runs pretty good, especially on the highway. However, here's the mystery:

    At idle and slow speeds, it is still running on three cylinders. The number three is getting spark and the plug is still clean. However when you pull the plug wire off the # 3, there is no change to the rough idle. It sparks from the wire to anywhere I place it on the engine, so I know the wire is good. If I pull any of the other three wires off the plugs, the engine fizzles.

    Anybody have any idea what's happning?

    Oh, I have driven it to work and back twice(45 miles each way) and on the highway at 70+ mph with no problems. In fact, it lives for the interstate.
    http://www.cardomain.com/id/hawkdoc60

    01 Chevy Impala 9C1 police package "Unnamed yet". 154K
    88 LX 5 speed "Silver PHOENIX" Currently being rebuilt inside and out. 400K
    88 L 4 speed "Cherry Bomb" saved from the car crusher just in time. 186K
    06 Ford F-150 Pickup Replacement for my 2001 Impala Cop Car that lunched its engine.

  • #2
    Check compression. Sounds like you might have a compression leak.
    Previous owner of a '89 Graphite L, 4spd, GL Seats, Aspire Brakes, 14x6's, 185/60/14's

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    • #3
      I know that there is some leakage, because she burns a little oil. Would a compression leakage cause this much problem?
      http://www.cardomain.com/id/hawkdoc60

      01 Chevy Impala 9C1 police package "Unnamed yet". 154K
      88 LX 5 speed "Silver PHOENIX" Currently being rebuilt inside and out. 400K
      88 L 4 speed "Cherry Bomb" saved from the car crusher just in time. 186K
      06 Ford F-150 Pickup Replacement for my 2001 Impala Cop Car that lunched its engine.

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      • #4
        yes it could.
        Previous owner of a '89 Graphite L, 4spd, GL Seats, Aspire Brakes, 14x6's, 185/60/14's

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        • #5
          If the #3 cylinder is weak (compression wise) pulling the plug wire wouldn't be as noticeable as pulling the wire from a strong cylinder.
          You gonna race that thing?
          http://www.sdfcomputers.com/Festivaracing.htm

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          • #6
            How about adjusting the valves?
            Brian
            http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2274977



            93 GL modyfied!!!
            :fish:

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            • #7
              Another indicator is MPG!
              But I'm betting on compression/valve adjustment!
              DOes it use any oil?
              '93 Blue 5spd 230K(down for clutch and overall maintanence)
              '93 White B6 swap thanks to Skeeters Keeper
              '92 Aqua parts Car
              '93 Turquoise 5spd 137K
              '90 White LX Thanks to FB71

              "Your God of repentance will not save you.
              Your holy ghost will not save you.
              Your God plutonium will not save you.
              In fact...
              ...You will not be saved!"

              Prince of Darkness -1987

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              • #8
                It does burn a little, yes. It also has the typical leaks around the valve cover.
                http://www.cardomain.com/id/hawkdoc60

                01 Chevy Impala 9C1 police package "Unnamed yet". 154K
                88 LX 5 speed "Silver PHOENIX" Currently being rebuilt inside and out. 400K
                88 L 4 speed "Cherry Bomb" saved from the car crusher just in time. 186K
                06 Ford F-150 Pickup Replacement for my 2001 Impala Cop Car that lunched its engine.

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                • #9
                  Just thinking could be valve stem seals!
                  But just as likely a ring issue.
                  Really need to do a compression check!
                  '93 Blue 5spd 230K(down for clutch and overall maintanence)
                  '93 White B6 swap thanks to Skeeters Keeper
                  '92 Aqua parts Car
                  '93 Turquoise 5spd 137K
                  '90 White LX Thanks to FB71

                  "Your God of repentance will not save you.
                  Your holy ghost will not save you.
                  Your God plutonium will not save you.
                  In fact...
                  ...You will not be saved!"

                  Prince of Darkness -1987

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                  • #10
                    I appreciate all the input. I guess I'll be hitting Harbor Freight for a compression tester.
                    http://www.cardomain.com/id/hawkdoc60

                    01 Chevy Impala 9C1 police package "Unnamed yet". 154K
                    88 LX 5 speed "Silver PHOENIX" Currently being rebuilt inside and out. 400K
                    88 L 4 speed "Cherry Bomb" saved from the car crusher just in time. 186K
                    06 Ford F-150 Pickup Replacement for my 2001 Impala Cop Car that lunched its engine.

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                    • #11
                      Yep.....most likely compression related....valves or rings

                      jJust a thought...if prior to your tune up....the No.3 plug or wire was shot and the plug showed baked on carbon....the carbon built up may be pretty severe....like...the intake port between the manifold and the valve seat is blocked.
                      Joe Lutz

                      The SKATE ..... 1992L 5spd
                      The Greatest Purchase I Ever Made

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                      • #12
                        I'll have to look at the intake port when I tear it down. The idea does sound intriguing.
                        http://www.cardomain.com/id/hawkdoc60

                        01 Chevy Impala 9C1 police package "Unnamed yet". 154K
                        88 LX 5 speed "Silver PHOENIX" Currently being rebuilt inside and out. 400K
                        88 L 4 speed "Cherry Bomb" saved from the car crusher just in time. 186K
                        06 Ford F-150 Pickup Replacement for my 2001 Impala Cop Car that lunched its engine.

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                        • #13
                          on my festiva when i got it the #3 cylinder had a burned valve and a chunk was missing (whats with the #3 cylinder????) anyway, to check where the leak is take the plugs out and squirt a little oil in #3 through the plug hole. what you want is the oil to seal around the cylinder wall. this will tell you if the rings are bad. actually 1st, before you put oil in, do a compression check on all cylinders and record them down. THEN, put the oil in and re-check and record. if the compression goes UP in the #3 when the oil is in, then it may be rings. this depends how much it goes up.. I'd say it is more likely to be in the valves or valve stems than the rings.
                          Here was my situation. Did compression check and #3 was only at 60 psi (supposed to be 180 psi).. then i added oil and it went to 120psi. so i thought it was rings... I took the head off and #3 valve had a huge gouge in it, so some of that oil must have gone and did a little sealing in the valve. i ended up putting in new rings, new valves, etc while i was in there. hope this helps.

                          -"Hairlipstiva" 1991 GL 5spd (swapped from an auto), rolling on Enkei 14x6 +38 with 195/45/14 Toyo's, Jensen MP5720 CD deck, tach install, LED strip in cluster, down position rear wiper, FMS springs, Gabriel shocks on 4 corners, Acura Integra short shifter
                          -Escort GT 91 donor car with BP, G5M-R tranny to be dropped in the little guy...
                          -Aspire brake swap COMPLETE!
                          https://www.wunderground.com/persona...?ID=KOKOWASS38

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                          • #14
                            Look for carbon deposits on the underside of the valve cover, an indication of exhaust valve not closing properly. Mine was dirty over the #3. A chemical cleaner oil additive desovled the carbon and raised the compression, although some don't recommend chemical cleaners as they might dislodge crystalized carbon into the cyclinder.
                            Original owner of silver grey carburetted 1989 Festiva. 105k km as of June 2006. 140k km as of June 2021.

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