CV wont fit into 5 speed trans!

[iceracerdude]

It's not as tricky as you guy's are making it...just a piece of coat hanger should do it, just don't trash the seals with the hanger. Once it's all the way through just bend an L shape in the hanger, beauty. Also the term "spider gears" is kind-of a slange term that guys throw at all 4 of those gears interchangeably. The gears the axles go through are the Side gears, and the smaller one's (the spiders, cause they walk around the side gears) are really pinion gears. That "pin" you see passing between them is the pinion pin.
When guys grenade their trans axles doing what we refer to as "one wheeled wonders" or one wheel burn outs, those pinion gears get super super heated to the point they weld themselves to the pinion pin. Then the pin breaks the drift pin holding it in place, and then it all gets loose again and spits the pin out, while the diff carrier is spinning madly.
At this point it's no longer referd to as a pinion pin, because it's now become a "window maker" ha, ha, ha,

[zoom zoom]

It's not as tricky as you guy's are making it...just a piece of coat hanger should do it, just don't trash the seals with the hanger. Once it's all the way through just bend an L shape in the hanger, beauty. Also the term "spider gears" is kind-of a slange term that guys throw at all 4 of those gears interchangeably. The gears the axles go through are the Side gears, and the smaller one's (the spiders, cause they walk around the side gears) are really pinion gears. That "pin" you see passing between them is the pinion pin.
When guys grenade their trans axles doing what we refer to as "one wheeled wonders" or one wheel burn outs, those pinion gears get super super heated to the point they weld themselves to the pinion pin. Then the pin breaks the drift pin holding it in place, and then it all gets loose again and spits the pin out, while the diff carrier is spinning madly.
At this point it's no longer referd to as a pinion pin, because it's now become a "window maker" ha, ha, ha,

Every time you post I have an urge to go back to the junk yard and buy their rio transmission just so I can tear it down and put it back together. You make it sound sooo simple. >.<

[iceracerdude]

I know I make it sound simple, but it is for me now, really.
The thing for me is, I actually have a Ford factory manual on cd, and it showed me how to completely disassemble, and reassemble it step by step. I've made copies of that cd and have sold several of them here and at the aspire site.
I'm not trying to talk people into taking transaxles apart, because Lord knows I can think of several guy's capable of breaking cannon balls with rubber mallets. But I also know a lot of the guy's on here and at aspire are very talented, I'm just trying to help those guy's with talent and determination, never been inside one, get out of trouble cheap.

[BigElCat]

Many thanks to iceracerdude!!

The pics have really help me understand the 'side gear drop out problem'.

I recently brought home a B3/4-speed combo in the bed of my truck. The JY employees had pulled the axles for me, because they wanted to sell them to someone else. I said "no, because the side gears will drop". They said "we always just run a wire through them". I said "okay".

I still don't see how a wire will hold them in place. Or will I just have to work them back into place, if they shift and end up hanging on the wire?

Thanks again.

[denguy]

Don't ever turn the transmission while the axles are out, the side gears will stay in place unless you turn the trans while it is in a gear. Even if you leave one axle in while you pull the other one, the side gear without an axle in place will drop down if you turn the trans. Keep in neutral. There is a PVC pipe size that is a pretty close fit going into the side gears from each side.

[jjk1224]

OK, well today I got the engine out, and the trans off. I re-RTV'd the oil pan gasket and decided to take a crack at the trans. I got it open but that was about it, as soon as it came apart, a small pin and at least 1 ball bearing fell out. Lets just say things have gone better for me. I am almost to the point where I am just going to take the trans to a local shop just so they can re-assemble it. Im afraid that I will loose or forget a part and end up having to buy a new trans or something.

[GenevaDirt]

OK, well today I got the engine out, and the trans off. I re-RTV'd the oil pan gasket and decided to take a crack at the trans. I got it open but that was about it, as soon as it came apart, a small pin and at least 1 ball bearing fell out. Lets just say things have gone better for me. I am almost to the point where I am just going to take the trans to a local shop just so they can re-assemble it. Im afraid that I will loose or forget a part and end up having to buy a new trans or something.

it would be cheaper to buy a new tranny then to have someone do that work for you. Then when you are done studying you can take a shot at rebuilding it.

[jjk1224]

Do you suggest that I suck it up and go for a second attempt? I will take pictures in the morning of my problems, maybe someone will be able to walk me through the process. I have no problem with working on things with cylinders, but gears scare me!

[zoom zoom]

Maybe you could snag a copy of iceracerdudes rebuild-a-tranny cd and it would tell you everything you need to know? Idk what he charges for it tho?

[GenevaDirt]

Do you suggest that I suck it up and go for a second attempt? I will take pictures in the morning of my problems, maybe someone will be able to walk me through the process. I have no problem with working on things with cylinders, but gears scare me!

not saying suck it up....I just think it would cost a lot more to take it somewhere then it would to just buy a new tranny.

[jjk1224]

Its just a shame, my poor tranny only has 90K on it and besides the side gear problem it is in perfect shape(At least before i took a wrench to it).

[GenevaDirt]

Its just a shame, my poor tranny only has 90K on it and besides the side gear problem it is in perfect shape(At least before i took a wrench to it).

sure it can be fixed....just would not pay a shop to do it. Get a manual or buy that dvd from ice....you can do it....but get another tranny in the mean time (if you need it fixed now),

[zoom zoom]

If it's already broke you cant really break it can you? I mean its all up to you, but i would think any transmission shop would charge quite a bit just to look at it.. maybe call around and see what they say? Might not be toooo bad since it's already out of the car.

[91_festy_Gl]

Do it! You wont learn unless you try.

[denguy]

Don't ever turn the transmission while the axles are out, the side gears will stay in place unless you turn the trans while it is in a gear. Even if you leave one axle in while you pull the other one, the side gear without an axle in place will drop down if you turn the trans. Keep in neutral. There is a PVC pipe size that is a pretty close fit going into the side gears from each side.

If you leave one axle in while you change-out the other side, DON'T turn the axle that is still in place while the other side is axleless.