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    I tried searching for the suspension info, but a search for torsion beam bushings brought so many results of unrelated bushings I decided to be a dick and start a new thread for a subject that has already, I'm sure, been flogged to death. However, I have been told many times that I am a dick, so I am in keeping with my inner self.

    I went to 13" wheels and tires off a Mazda 323. The fronts went right on, but for the rears I had to use spacers. No biggy- when I put them on, I could slip my finger between the shoulder of the tread and the spring perch, so I though I was home free.

    When cornering to the right, the left rear tire rubs against the spring perch. It sets up a nice howl, and after a long corner, like a clover-leaf on-ramp, I can smell burning rubber inside the car. The only thing I can think of that would allow this much lateral movement in the rear would be worn out bushings where the torsion beam is connected to the body of the car. Am I way off base here, or on the right track?

    Second question- I have been unable to locate new bushings locally- is there a universal poly replacement that I can use?

    Now for the engine question. I have started experiencing a low/unstable idle, with a little miss and hesitation when starting off, especially after a long in-gear coast to a stop. There is a surge when accellerating, too, sort of a throbbing you can feel through the car. New plugs, cap,and rotor did not fix it. I replaced the o2 sensor (thanks to the a-hole tha did it last time without the benefit of anti-sieze, I had to buy a $27 tap and repair the threads) and it didn't fix the problem.

    Is there a way to test the TPS? It is not as noticeable when cold, but I think it just may be the rich mixture is masking the problem. Could it be the WOT switch?

    I have been contemplating getting rid of the Festy and moving on to something new, but reading this forum gets me fired up about my car again. Might have to raid the local Pick and Pull for some Rio springs, and buy new struts for that instead of replacing mine with 323 parts. Anyone in Portland want to donate a 1.3 so I can build one while I am still driving mine to work?

    Garsdad
    The Mini is now the "big car".

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Garsdad View Post
      I went to 13" wheels and tires off a Mazda 323. The fronts went right on, but for the rears I had to use spacers. No biggy- when I put them on, I could slip my finger between the shoulder of the tread and the spring perch, so I though I was home free.

      When cornering to the right, the left rear tire rubs against the spring perch. It sets up a nice howl, and after a long corner, like a clover-leaf on-ramp, I can smell burning rubber inside the car. The only thing I can think of that would allow this much lateral movement in the rear would be worn out bushings where the torsion beam is connected to the body of the car. Am I way off base here, or on the right track?
      2 things: what size tire are you using on the 13s, and have you considered tire deformation while loaded lateraly? i'll find the pic of Charlie's car in a hard corner and you'll see what i mean.
      Trees aren't kind to me...

      currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
      94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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      • #4
        I have 175/70-13son my Festy. I put Aspire Monroe struts on the rear. They have a higher spring prech. Solved the problem.
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        • #5



          note the rollover of the outside tires, that deformation also happens at the top of the tire.
          Trees aren't kind to me...

          currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
          94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by navdoc101 View Post
            I have 175/70-13son my Festy. I put Aspire Monroe struts on the rear. They have a higher spring prech. Solved the problem.
            Exactly. Here's your answer for the rubbing, Garsdad.
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            • #7
              The surge is running lean, as the air flow meter measures more air the computer
              goes through the logarithm to run the injectors, you can feel it stair step up.
              The fix is to unwind the spring in the air box a couple steps. TPS and o2 have nothing
              to do with the computer system at WOT. Air flow, temps, and the program built in.
              Fuel pressure and injector size are non computer affects of fuel mix at WOT.

              There is a lot more knowledge out here about this but this is enough info to get
              you thinking about the problem of surge.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by navdoc101 View Post
                I have 175/70-13son my Festy. I put Aspire Monroe struts on the rear. They have a higher spring prech. Solved the problem.
                I have been thinking about going a little stiffer in the front and the rear. The Rio set-up looks good up front, and a little time in the Gabriel catalog showed the Cavalier uses the same style strut in the rear. Since the Cav has a few pounds on the Festy, I assume the spring would be stiffer and the valving of the strut would match the spring. Anyone tried this? The Aspire set-up sounds like the solution to my immediate problem, but if I can handle both my needs and desires at the same time, that would be great. I don't know if the spring perch on the Cav is higher; need some junkyard time and a measuring tape.

                I am running 175/70/13s on the car now.

                I will try adjusting the spring in the air flow sensor to fix the surge- would that take care of my off-idle stumble as well? Both issues appeared at the same time, so I guess they are related somehow. I looked up "surge and stuble w/o codes" in the factory manal and it suggested check the TPS, the airflow sensor, and the WOT vaccuum switch... not even sure where the switch is located, and the diagram did not show on the screen. It got worse after I changed the air filter... maybe I should crap this one up to richen the mixture!

                Thanks for the help,

                Garsdad
                The Mini is now the "big car".

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                • #9
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                  • #10
                    movin, what about a temp dependant vac leak?
                    Trees aren't kind to me...

                    currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                    94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                    • #11
                      Could be a factor especially with the tip-in stumble, but not the surge through the
                      rpm range. When these are set up lean you can feel the rich-lean as the rpms climb.
                      On mine I find this first then turn on the hydrogen and make it go away with that
                      addition, that gives the mileage improvement where just adding HHO does not help
                      much. Plastics and metals degrade rapidly in the presence of hydrogen and I quit
                      using it for that reason. Even stainless steel. Anyway what he described sure sounded
                      familiar ..climbing the lean ladder a rung at a time. All it takes is a backfire and the VAF
                      needs adjusting. If the check engine light has been coming on I would sure suspect
                      a temp code might be in their!
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                      • #12
                        just had another thought: intake tube cracked. that would cause tip in stumble and false air/lean out.
                        Trees aren't kind to me...

                        currently: 2 88Ls (Scrappy and Jersey), 88LX, 90L(Pepe), 91L, 91GL (Skippy) 93 GL Sport (the Mighty Favakk), 94 (Bruce) & 95 Aspire SEs, 97 Aspire (The Joker),
                        94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                        • #13
                          I moved this thread to the repair section where this type of topic belongs

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                          • #14
                            repair thread

                            i agree it belongs in repair thread. if tire size was 12 in, tires wouldnt rub. monro gas shocks in rear,will raise rear a bit.it might help rub. re check all hoses and rubber lines again for cracks. a fuel pressure regulator might help.along with a new fuel filter.

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                            • #15
                              A video with good audio would help take the guess out of it.
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