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  • I put a new fuel sock on and now the pump doesn't work.

    I've swapped my cartridge fuses. I've swapped fuel pump modules. I've checked fuses. I've tried jumping the fuel pump test wire. I've disconnected the negative terminal and reconnected. I've removed the fuel pump plug and reconnected.
    1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
    1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
    1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
    1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
    2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
    2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
    2005 Accord - wife's DD
    2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
    2015 F150 SCrew - DD

  • #2
    Very interesting. Do you still have continuity on the pump motor? If O.K., then use a test light on the fuel pump relay. Make sure the VAF is providing power for that relay. If O.K., then follow the current back to the pump. If still no power, check that the inertia switch is down. Good luck.
    Last edited by bravekozak; 02-13-2014, 10:20 PM.

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    • #3
      I forgot to say I checked the inertia switch.

      All I did was pull the pump. Why wouldn't it work?

      Driving black car tomorrow. Will look at red Saturday.
      1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
      1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
      1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
      1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
      2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
      2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
      2005 Accord - wife's DD
      2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
      2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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      • #4
        It is grounded through the black wire. Is your pump the one with the blue plastic connector? or grounded directly through the isolation stud with a ring terminal?
        Last edited by bravekozak; 02-13-2014, 11:41 PM.

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        • #5
          Can't find the relay in kick panel. Black timer buzzer, green flasher and a grey box with 4 wires that says

          GE70
          DC12V200A
          N.O.
          IMASEN

          The spades on it have writing beside them.

          NO COIL
          COM COIL

          I popped the top off, there is a coil inside.
          Last edited by Larry Hampton; 02-15-2014, 02:36 PM.
          1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
          1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
          1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
          1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
          2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
          2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
          2005 Accord - wife's DD
          2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
          2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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          • #6
            All relays have solenoid coils in them. That's how they work. If you are in the relay tree, you are in the wrong place. The fuel pump relay should have a yellow connector.

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            • #7
              The inertia switch has a red, black, and a green/white wires.

              The fuel pump module has a black/white, yellow, black, and red wires.

              I can feel the relay clicking when I turn the key. I'm hot at the fuel test connector.

              What is hot on the fuel pump?

              My wiring diagram says the sending unit has 2 green/yellow going in and 2 green/white going out.
              1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
              1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
              1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
              1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
              2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
              2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
              2005 Accord - wife's DD
              2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
              2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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              • #8
                Black is always ground.
                Red or yellow (depending on the model year) is for the fuel level sender.
                Black/white is juice for the electric fuel pump motor.

                In some years there was a double GN/Y going into the fuel pump motor, and a double GN/W coming out. The double wires are just for redundancy just in case one fails. The GR/W wire goes to the inertia switch.

                Originally, juice flowed through the inertia switch and the fuel tank sender and pump shared a common ground.

                Later, the fuel pump switch was used as a fuel pump ground and to ground out the passive restraint module in the event of an accident.
                Last edited by bravekozak; 02-15-2014, 05:50 PM.

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                • #9
                  So where does the black/white wire come from? With it unplugged and the lead plugged into the plug, and the test jumper in, I'm getting 12.4V at the plug. I wonder if the yellow wire is some 'proof' wire.
                  1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                  1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                  1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                  1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                  2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                  2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                  2005 Accord - wife's DD
                  2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                  2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                  • #10
                    The black white wire should be hot when you turn the key to start.

                    I don't have the wiring diagram to your car. What color are the wires going into the fuel pump connector? Are they the same as you described going into the pump? What year is your car?

                    Is it the GN/Y wire coming from the fuel pump relay that matches up with the BK/W wire going into the motor?
                    Last edited by bravekozak; 02-15-2014, 06:25 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Those are the wires that plug into the top of the pump lid.
                      1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                      1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                      1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                      1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                      2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                      2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                      2005 Accord - wife's DD
                      2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                      2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                      • #12
                        What year is your car?

                        I am going to assume the yellow wire is power for the fuel level sender. The black wire is for the fuel level sender ground.
                        I am going to guess that the red wire turns into a GN/W wire somewhere on the way to the inertia switch.
                        You would have to test to find out. Do you have a multimeter?
                        Last edited by bravekozak; 02-15-2014, 08:40 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I got 5v on red. Didn't test yellow. Red car is 1991 5spd.

                          I bench tested the loose pump out of the blue car and it didnt work.
                          Last edited by Larry Hampton; 02-15-2014, 09:09 PM.
                          1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                          1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                          1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                          1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                          2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                          2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                          2005 Accord - wife's DD
                          2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                          2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                          • #14
                            Bench tested the pump from the red car and the blue car and neither work.
                            1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                            1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                            1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                            1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                            2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                            2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                            2005 Accord - wife's DD
                            2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                            2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                            • #15
                              Went and pulled an Aspire pump at LKQ. Its a smaller pump physically, I'm guessing it was a replacement, bench test shows it working, and he only charged me $10.
                              1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                              1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                              1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                              1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                              2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                              2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                              2005 Accord - wife's DD
                              2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                              2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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