Aspire coil in dist conversion to Festy dist with external

[darkdan]

Any clue what all would be needed to convert an aspire to using an external coil?

Just the cap or a whole shopping list?

[ericsmith32]

The entire disturbutor and the ignition coil - don't now about the wiring harness hook-ups. I'm going to look at it in the spring for the 94. It would be nice to hook up a msd.

[FB71]

I'm not sure a Festy dizzy will work. The Aspire dizzy has both cam and crank sensors to provide data to the pcm for sequential injection. The Festy uses a bank fire type injection, and may be lacking one of those sensors. I'll see what I can find in my service pubs.

hmmm.... now that I think about it, you might be able to swap the Aspire module into the Festy dizzy, and add some leads to the module to remote mount a coil....

[darkdan]

Installing the MSD 6AL is what I'm planning on doing.

I put no faith into those things, but my brother gave it to me for christmas because he got it for tinting some guy's car.

[FB71]

what, no faith in MSD type ignitions?

I can say from professional experience that they do offer some gains when used in conjunction with other modifications, primarily intake and exhaust mods. On a stock engine, especially Festy/Assfire, the most I've ever really noticed is some smoothing of the idle and easier starting on carbed cars. The 6AL is overkill for a stocker. The 5A is plenty, which is what Fester may be receiving shortly.

[Safety Guy]

I went to MSD's site and found the following products for a '94 Mazda 323 engine. Here's the guide page:

http://www.msdignition.com/cgi-bin/app_guide_3.pl

First the ignition would be PN 6300:

http://www.msdignition.com/sci_6.htm

Or an alternate, PN 6320:

http://www.msdignition.com/sci_7.htm

Either one might require a part to correct instructions to my tach or FI system, PN 8910:

http://www.msdignition.com/pdf/8910_tach_adapter.pdf

And finally the coil, PN 8207:

http://www.msdignition.com/coil_blaster_6_8207.htm

I don't know a lot about this.

Which of the three ignitions, if any, might be worthwhile on my ATX B6 with header, larger TB, CAI, balanced injectors and low restriction exhaust? It wouldn't necessarily have to be hp gains, but maybe better fuel economy and/or smoother engine operation. (I wouldn't turn down a couple more hp.)

I don't think I'll ever have nitrous and I won't be drag racing.

It should be cost effective and reliable.

Any hints? Ignition alone? Coil alone? Both?

Karl

[darkdan]

I've never put any faith into it because I have yet to see any proof that it allows you to completely burn the fuel that's there.

But maybe after having one I'll change my mind.

If my mileage goes up during the winter....I'd say it was worth it.

[FB71]

I have seen proof on a Bear Digital Scope and Vetronix portable 5 Gas emissions analyzer. Very interesting rastor and parade pattern on the scope. 4-5 spark events at idle, gradually dropping back to one about 3000rpm, but all with a significantly higher peak kV (stock about 10kV, w/ MSD about 25kV at the plug) There was also a marked reduction in HC and CO at idle, one of the dirtiest modes of operation for any ICE. CO2 increased slightly, and O2 dropped slightly (all good signs). Most noticable changes were at low rpm, but improvements were seen across the board.

Keep in mind, also, that an MSD type strategy is built into the factory ignition systems on many manufacturers, pioneered by Ford in the mid 90's (96 CV, GM, TC w/ II EEC V, specifically).

[darkdan]

IdealSociety should be over tomorrow to help me install it.

So if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.

Will I need a special wire for the coil or will any spark plug wire work?

We're thinking about mounting it behind the driver's side headlight.

[EVOGUN]

Should be good. Fire wall has lots of space for the box. I would display it, its prutty!

Wires if yours are less than a year old, I would not change them other wise lots of choices out there...if you believe less resistance = more spark.

Thanks :wink:

[darkdan]

Wires aren't too old. I think I did them in the spring time.

No room on firewall up top. That's where we mounted the cruise control servo.

I ended up getting food poisoning or something the other night. I spent all night long on Friday puking about once an hour. Finally at about 6 am I figured out if I only take 2 sips of water I could keep it down. A 3rd would make me puke. Nothing worse then dying of thirst, but not being able to drink.

Therefore, no MSD this weekend. =(

[yvanlavoie20]

lol

easy, just remove the coil, i use a mustang 2.3 coil and i install the post from the oem coil on the ignition wire and i place the stang coil on the fender ( msd is inside the car under glove box). use shrink tubing to adapt the post to a modified wire, place dielectric grease and a tie-wrap.

[ericsmith32]

The aspire uses the same cap as the 95-97 Protege, 94-95 MX3, 95 Kia Sportage, 95-97 Sephia.. I wouldn't be surprised the ignition systems were the same. Here is a pdf that shows you how to convert the honda dist. cap with internal coil system for the external coil.

http://www.msdignition.com/pdf/frm24382_6300_6320.pdf

Although it doesn't say anything about removing the coil.

[yvanlavoie20]

coil

coil is glues on the bottom of the case

[aithanmier]

i'd think all you would have to do to convert it to external coil would be....cut off the coil tower, install a pre coil in disty distributer cap say from a 88 carbed model, and then extend the coil wires to an external coil and hook up a coil to disty lead. i have a spare junk disty that i'll try it out on. i'm sick of these pos distributers. put a brand new $300 one on yesterday and it's acting up already.