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[gergorian]

Ok that sounds good. I sent you a pm a bit ago did you get it?

[bhazard]

$240 for a new custom built turbo that's not an eBay chinacharger?

[gergorian]

$240 for a new custom built turbo that's not an eBay chinacharger?

Yep! I wish I had $240 laying around...

[sasquatch]

thats a damn good deal, im wondering if i ned a bigger turbo on my car lol...

[IdealSociety]

intruiging. guess i know who to call when my current china made T3 burns out

[zoom zoom]

I checked out your facebook, very impressive projects there, no doubt you've been doing this for a long time, and are good at what you do! Do you have any flow charts for your turbo's?

[Advancedynamix]

To be honest with you, I tried that once. I had built a complete turbo system. It made 266 HP at the wheel & 287 FPT. The members who requested that I produce a turbo system to sell, said I was crazy when I told them the price. One guy said he would go $250, didn't make much sense to me as I had $269 just in jet hot coating. If you are serious about a turbo system that will produce results, give me a PM & we can go over the specifics.

What dollar number is reasonably profitable for to you duplicate your build on a customer car? This way people understand the value of development and what this type of work costs. The influx of eBay honda turbosystems making (unreliable) great HP has the general public jaded as to what goes into a one off, ultimate build. I would estimate a system like that would require an 8-10K dollar investment on a small scale, less if you jobbed out the manifolds and bracketry and used your proprietary turbochargers (which I'm excited to see by the way!). I like that someone went all out with the B3.

[jawbraeka]

The turbo pushes nearly 29 pounds per minute of air with a 57mm compressor wheel & a 55mm turbine wheel available in stage 3 or 5. It's a T3 turbine housing. All my turbos are T3 or T4 housings. As I said before, my priority at this point is in the DT70 series & DT60 series, which are all T4 housings. Sometime next year I am looking to have a large frame line in T6 housings. But back to the DT04E 6042, I don't offer ceramic ball bearing at this time as there is no room in the bearing housing casting to machine the insert, so it is journal bearing only, but still high quality. I also don't offer polished/brushed compressor housing on any of the DT04E frames because I do that in house & it would just force me to increase the price. The DT70 & DT60 series I only offer them in polished/brushed compressor housing because it's my best offering & it needs to look it. As for price on the 6042, I would sell that to members for $240.

for someone who's a little less initiated, could you translate that into laymen's for me?

Anyone please? lol just the basics will do..

[FestYboy]

^ i recomend reading Maximum Boost by Kenne Bell via HP Books.... i would say this is required reading for the beginner.

[mattdickmeyer]

$240 for a new custom built turbo that's not an eBay chinacharger?

The components on my turbo chargers (housings, bearing bodies, all castings) I have produced for me, it is cheaper to have them made than to start my own foundry. The rotor groups are made specifically for my turbos. As of now, I have them balanced at a local turbo manufacture. All the QC, options such as ported housings, polishing & final assembly are done here & I am not Chinese. This is how I offer a ONE YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY, like I have told others, if you bring it in with a problem & I find it is with the turbo, you will walk out with a new one, FREE. Where else can you get that service?

[mattdickmeyer]

for someone who's a little less initiated, could you translate that into laymen's for me?

Anyone please? lol just the basics will do..

In short, good for 300 HP

[mattdickmeyer]

What dollar number is reasonably profitable for to you duplicate your build on a customer car? This way people understand the value of development and what this type of work costs. The influx of eBay honda turbosystems making (unreliable) great HP has the general public jaded as to what goes into a one off, ultimate build. I would estimate a system like that would require an 8-10K dollar investment on a small scale, less if you jobbed out the manifolds and bracketry and used your proprietary turbochargers (which I'm excited to see by the way!). I like that someone went all out with the B3.

It should be understood that the cost of development is ALWAYS more than a finished product would be.I never intended to make a fortune off of my development, but at the end of developing comes production & this is where reimbursement occurs. And believe me it's not a matter of getting rich off of each sale, it's a slow process of about 20%. This is why I really don't like to develop systems such as turbo kits but I prefer to custom build each one, 1 at a time. What this does, is it keeps a shop like mine from spending time producing something & having it sit around & for the end user, it provides superior fit & function as no 2 cars are exactly the same. If you research alot of commercially available turbo systems you will find more complaints about fit than anything else just for this very reason. The systems I built for the Festivas were very reasonably priced considering no inexpensive components were used & yielded excellent out put.

[mattdickmeyer]

I have to say this, and this doesn't go for everyone, just for a select few. I have never seen a group of people so resistant to suggestions by someone who actually works for a living in the field in which the conversation is pertaining. You are the same guys that call a plumber to come & fix your plugged toilet & then stand there & fight with him about whether or not that monster turd in the toilet is really the reason for the plug. But maybe atmospheric pressure fluctuations causing disruptions in the plumbing vents system in the house down the road. It is more important to have the last word than the facts. Like the guy saying that a flow bench offers little usable information. Well where were you when I bought the dang thing?? If I knew it was a useless piece of equipment, I had spent my money on something more useful, like a semi load of pogo sticks. Or maybe when a customer comes in with a battery or charging system problem, I should sell my VAT 40 & just touch the terminals with my tongue & if it tingles, I will know the problem is elsewhere. COME ON GUYS!!! And you are crazy if you don't think that 3,000 HP isn't a ton, cause in my little world, you have to have a NHRA license to drive the car that it goes in. Have you ever experienced 0-60 in 1.2 seconds or less???? Believe me, I do wait for the day for the customer who wants 4,000 HP or more. But until that day, I will just have to be happy with my plateau. The reality is, the engines that I have built at that level are detuned to even a lower amount because the majority of my customers run on a 10 inch slick or a 275 drag radial that runs 7's & roll the tires the entire way down the track. We do things on these cars that I think is amazing! I have a down track back pressure reduction system that has shown to be worth as much as 500 HP & the reality is, at these levels of power, a dyno becomes worthless because you spin the tires & readings become worthless. But where some of you are wrong is, I am NOT Mr. Deep Pockets (some of my customers are). Try putting $20,000 in a car & then have a customer file bankruptcy. I deal with this ALL the time & sometimes in higher amounts of money. But this is what I do & it goes with the territory. I have been self employed for over 20 years & my goal is to continue to evolve with technology & stay at the forefront of my industry & still remain a small shop that can offer performance options to everyone. Whether you have a Festiva, Corvette or a $150,000 drag car.

[Damkid]

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Matt, it's a shame your feeling the way you are with the members of this forum, I personally know when to shut up and listen because I know when I will learn great info from someone who has much more experience then I do, I hope you stick around on these forums but at least I'll understand why if you choose to leave again

[gergorian]

Matt, it's a shame your feeling the way you are with the members of this forum, I personally know when to shut up and listen because I know when I will learn great info from someone who has much more experience then I do, I hope you stick around on these forums but at least I'll understand why if you choose to leave again

Here Here! Matt, I am sorry you have been treated the way you have. I personally love talking and emailing, hell just conversing with people like you because this is what you do to put bread on the table and if I can learn just one thing that I didn't know yesterday I consider it a privilege to have learned it from someone like you. I hope you stay and I hope even more that we can get another member to have some of your artwork done to their B3 so I can race them!