Building the ultimate Festiva street suspension...

[errjam]

whats the ride height like after change any before and after shots, is the camber negative or can it be set to zero for tire wear

[Advancedynamix]

A limited quantity will be available through the Festiva store in about a month. First come first serve.
Camber can be adjusted from 0 to -3.5 degrees in the front. The rear requires spacers to adjust the camber. -2.5 degrees camber rides great and doesn't wear tires so long as your toe is minimal. Toe is what wears tires, not camber. If negative camber with toe in or out will wear the inside edges, positive will wear the outside neutral will wear evenly, but the toe causes the wear. I run 0 toe in all 4 corners for the best performance, fuel mileage and tire life.

[alpaccino]

A limited quantity will be available through the Festiva store in about a month. First come first serve.
Camber can be adjusted from 0 to -3.5 degrees in the front. The rear requires spacers to adjust the camber. -2.5 degrees camber rides great and doesn't wear tires so long as your toe is minimal. Toe is what wears tires, not camber. If negative camber with toe in or out will wear the inside edges, positive will wear the outside neutral will wear evenly, but the toe causes the wear. I run 0 toe in all 4 corners for the best performance, fuel mileage and tire life.

I have purchased all the components for the ultimate suspension build and im dying to install them, however i want to run those camber settings, what spacers/washers to buy, and how is it achieved at the front, camber bolts? Is there a partnumber or item link when ww can purchase these.

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[mikemounlio]

for the front you make the mounting holes on the coilover body bigger. This allows you to simply push the knuckle back into the coilovers body more.

For the rear you need moog camber toe shims.

[Advancedynamix]

The moog shims will only get you a degree or so of negative camber. To get 2.5 or more degrees you'll have to get creative as there is no product that's available. Some people stack washers between the stub axle and the beam. I made steel camber shims that are adjustable. These are quite involved and cost a couple hundred dollars a set to make.

[Advancedynamix]

for the front you make the mounting holes on the coilover body bigger. This allows you to simply push the knuckle back into the coilovers body more.

For the rear you need moog camber toe shims.

This is a picture of what Mike is saying. Notice how the top holes are elongated. This allows the knuckles to be adjusted. Since the VW shocks have more space between the mounting holes and the strut body, you can get way more adjustment than what is possible with Festiva, Aspire or Kia struts.

[F3BZ]

i like the idea of the adjustable wedged shims you made but a question. if the thickest or thinnest edge is set in anything but the 6 o'clock or 12 o'clock position would that also not change the toe?

[Cory_Thurmond]

Charlie on my jeeps i set the toe to be 1/8th of an inch in

Are you saying when i align my festiva instead of toeing the 1/16th of inch in on the front of the wheels i should set them to dead even front and back measurements of the tires ?

Sorry I dont like to spend 80 bucks for an alignment because they never let me see the before and after screens.



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[Zman86]

Building the ultimate Festiva street suspension...

You need to find a new alignment shop.


Any chance of those ever being produced Charlie? I'm willing to pay the money they would cost instead of screwing around with washers and shims to get camber in the rear.

[Advancedynamix]

i like the idea of the adjustable wedged shims you made but a question. if the thickest or thinnest edge is set in anything but the 6 o'clock or 12 o'clock position would that also not change the toe?

Yes. These adjust toe and camber together. As the beam rotates through it's stroke the camber turns into toe and vice versa, so different ride heights change the alignment drastically in the rear.

Charlie on my jeeps i set the toe to be 1/8th of an inch in

Are you saying when i align my festiva instead of toeing the 1/16th of inch in on the front of the wheels i should set them to dead even front and back measurements of the tires ?

Sorry I dont like to spend 80 bucks for an alignment because they never let me see the before and after screens.



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I like a hair of toe in, but no more than 1/16 total (1/32 per side).
This works best with over 2 degrees of negative camber. Otherwise the car will wander rather than track straight. The more negative camber the better it rides until about 3.5 degrees. Negative camber improves traction as well, especially in wet conditions.
Your can't compare a festiva to a Jeep. Two totally different animals.
I only do my own alignments because I've never been happy with alignment shops.
I use toe plates and a camber guage. You can buy all the tools to do an alignment for about the price of 2 alignments at a shop. You don't need lasers and computers to align a car. I've put plenty of 200+ mph race cars on the track with tape measures, toe plates and a camber guage.

You need to find a new alignment shop.


Any chance of those ever being produced Charlie? I'm willing to pay the money they would cost instead of screwing around with washers and shims to get camber in the rear.

Possibly. I am backed up at least 6 months with work right now and barely have time to take care of my own projects. It would be better to find a machine shop to make these. I will provide advice on the dimensions, but it's really a part that is tailor made for the application. That's a big reason why I haven't put more effort into offering them. Other members have been quoted 250 a set by their local machine shops. The shims are side specific, so it's 2 different parts according to the machine shop. I am an Aerospace prototype engineer, so I'm about 4 times as expensive as your typical machine shop.

[Zman86]

No worries! Thanks for doing all that you do around here!


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[Cory_Thurmond]

Yes. These adjust toe and camber together. As the beam rotates through it's stroke the camber turns into toe and vice versa, so different ride heights change the alignment drastically in the rear.


I like a hair of toe in, but no more than 1/16 total (1/32 per side).
This works best with over 2 degrees of negative camber. Otherwise the car will wander rather than track straight. The more negative camber the better it rides until about 3.5 degrees. Negative camber improves traction as well, especially in wet conditions.
Your can't compare a festiva to a Jeep. Two totally different animals.
I only do my own alignments because I've never been happy with alignment shops.
I use toe plates and a camber guage. You can buy all the tools to do an alignment for about the price of 2 alignments at a shop. You don't need lasers and computers to align a car. I've put plenty of 200+ mph race cars on the track with tape measures, toe plates and a camber guage.

Possibly. I am backed up at least 6 months with work right now and barely have time to take care of my own projects. It would be better to find a machine shop to make these. I will provide advice on the dimensions, but it's really a part that is tailor made for the application. That's a big reason why I haven't put more effort into offering them. Other members have been quoted 250 a set by their local machine shops. The shims are side specific, so it's 2 different parts according to the machine shop. I am an Aerospace prototype engineer, so I'm about 4 times as expensive as your typical machine shop.

Seems my comparison is perfect for the toe 😝. That how ive neen doing it on the festiva minus the camber ill add that when i get suspension

Good info thanks charlie.

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[Advancedynamix]

No worries! Thanks for doing all that you do around here!


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My pleasure. I wish I could do more. These cars are amazing and the people who love them are true car enthusiasts.

[fastivaca]

These cars are amazing and the people who love them are true car enthusiasts.

Well said Mr. Whitney!!

[bravekozak]

I like the color scheme on Gecko shocks.
I need an assistant to help me change my Festiva's suspension.