MPGs run, Aspire SE

[TominMO]

It can simulate the narrow band being there to the ECU so it doesn't flip out, but you can still see what's really happening and adjust accordingly without the computer trying to save you from yourself.

That could well be the answer to my code 17 problem! But how is it connected to the system? Seems like it would have to be via the stock narrowband wire. I am looking at various wideband installation instructions as we speak, and it is mostly: red is 12V, black is ground, lots of optional hookups to data loggers etc. Nothing mentions narowband simulation and how to communicate with the EFI computer.

May have found it:
Blue Wire (Optional Data Logger Signal Output):
Connect to signal input(+) or Engine Management System
or Data Acquisition unit.

Like that?

[TominMO]

Do all widebands have the narrowband simulation ability? I notice that some have less optional wires, beyond the red and black.

[FestYboy]

^ no. most wideband are 5 wire units: 2 grounds, 1 heater power, 1 signal Voltage in, one signal voltage out. the simulation comes in after the fact via a unit T'ed into the harness, or so my experiance goes.

[getnpsi]

Innovate lm1 lc1 mtl series all have this. You can even offset voltage in addition to trick ecu more. I think ur on right track considering a cam gear wont hurt. Go in halves with someone as i understand all mazdas use the same one

[bhazard]

You don't run a wire off the wideband sensor. Its an output from the wideband controller.

I prefer the innovate mtx-l myself. Compact. Easy to setup. And you can get them around $150 with sensor.

[TominMO]

Great info guys! Gonna buy the Innovate, Brad.

[bhazard]

Do you have a small laptop you can use to set it up? You can also data log.

[TominMO]

I have a netbook, running XP. Do I need it to set the wideband up? Or are there buttons on this wideband for a basic setup?

[rmoltis]

Last time I looked into reviews on the innovate wideband sensor.

Everyone said that it loses calibration and often has to be taken out and recalibrated.

Look up peoples review on forums and whatnot.

The aem wideband kit is the one I'm looking into getting.

Based on reviews it never loses calibration and works flawlessly.
You can get the gauge kit with wideband and wiring for like $155
It also has datalogging and whatnot.

Not positive if it does the 0-1v or not but can be looked up easily.

Just poke around at other options and compare them all before you settle on the innovate.
I've tossed innovate off my list of ones to get but that's just me and my opinion.

[TominMO]

Last time I looked into reviews on the innovate wideband sensor.

Everyone said that it loses calibration and often has to be taken out and recalibrated.

Look up peoples review on forums and whatnot.

The aem wideband kit is the one I'm looking into getting.

Based on reviews it never loses calibration and works flawlessly.
You can get the gauge kit with wideband and wiring for like $155
It also has datalogging and whatnot.

Not positive if it does the 0-1v or not but can be looked up easily.

Just poke around at other options and compare them all before you settle on the innovate.
I've tossed innovate off my list of ones to get but that's just me and my opinion.

Just ordered the Innovate. Once I get the car set up the way I want it, I can just remove it and use it to dial in performance on another car. I'm not concerned with datalogging or WOT readings, etc. And hopefully I will not need to trick the ECU if I get the system dialed in properly.

[TominMO]

Just got off the phone with Matt. He is selling me the Fidanza adjustable cam gear, and recommends I go to Autolite XP3923 or 24 spark plugs (need to nail down which). Also recommends a heated O2 sensor (might keep my leaner condition, which gives a cooler exhaust gas, from throwing the code 17), and likes the generic Bosch. He also likes the Innovate wideband I ordered BTW.

[bhazard]

The wideband is heated.

[Zanzer]

NGK AFX FTW

[Pu241]

Also recommends a heated O2 sensor (might keep my leaner condition, which gives a cooler exhaust gas, from throwing the code 17), and likes the generic Bosch. He also likes the Innovate wideband I ordered BTW.

Would have thought a leaner AFR is hotter?
Still interested in how this is progressing.

BTW your fork attachment for axle removal to your slide hammer came in and it threads on fine!

[TominMO]

1. Would have thought a leaner AFR is hotter?
2. BTW your fork attachment for axle removal to your slide hammer came in and it threads on fine!

1. I think the way it works is, more gas burned, more heat; less burned, less heat. However, if it's super-rich, then the gas that does not get burned acts as a cooling agent.
2. Excellent!

Correction to post #266: bought the adjustable cam gear from TH Motorsports, ~$103 with free shipping. It's blue.

What has happened over the past few days is that I am transitioning from MPG Tester 1.0 to version 2.0, with the wideband, header, and adjustable cam gear and FPR. From amateur status to advanced amateur.

On a further humorous note, just pulled the codes for my B6 Aspire: code 15, dead O2 sensor! So I can tinker with it too. It is a Denso, put in when the B6 was installed about 3.5 years ago.