MPG Cam Results

[TominMO]

In my case, I don't feel screwed since I was just testing the cam for the benefit of the forum--and yeah, also for my sake it would have been nice if I could have gotten better results by now. I will continue testing in the spring as soon as we get back to summer-blend gas. I do need to reduce my FP down to 36 or 37 (stock) to see if I get a lower AFR without going into open loop, and get better mileage that way. That I can do now; I have just been uninterested for a while.

Edit: BTW I still believe in Matt. His shop car (Matthew) does make amazing power for a NA B3 (dyno next month). I took Karl/sc72 for a quick ride on Saturday, and he was impressed--and he's into drag racing. If I don't put Matthew's head on my Aspire, I will have Matt basically duplicate his shop-car work into the Aspire.

[sketchman]

sorry but I c people that wasted money on parts that were supposed to work and before they all got lined out someone conveniently got out of the festy business oh well.by the way if u matt dick could have made a lot more money doing other jobs and chose festy jobs and made less money well that was ur decision and stop cryin over it ur a grown man for christ sake

for all u that bought this cam sorry u got screwed maybe u can make shift knobs and get money back lol

There is more to it than you're making it sound. There was nothing convenient about his exit.

That's all I'm saying about it. Not what this thread is about.

[bhazard]

The cam was never meant to be a magic wand. I think his reply was 100% legit.

[sketchman]

I'm definitely not on the throttle more than usual. I'm still thinking more torque in the lower RPM is what is doing it, as most of my driving is at 2-3k steady cruising, and my type of driving generally gets good MPG without trying, so his theory of what's causing it just doesn't quite work to me. But it doesn't matter now.

Other projects to attend to.

[mattdickmeyer]

sorry but I c people that wasted money on parts that were supposed to work and before they all got lined out someone conveniently got out of the festy business oh well.by the way if u matt dick could have made a lot more money doing other jobs and chose festy jobs and made less money well that was ur decision and stop cryin over it ur a grown man for christ sake

for all u that bought this cam sorry u got screwed maybe u can make shift knobs and get money back lol

People like you are EXACTLY why I am no longer producing parts "for you". You told me you wanted a cam done while your engine was being rebuilt. You called & said that you were in a HUGE rush cause your engine was finished & you are ONLY waiting on the cam & that you are having to borrow & rent cars to get to work. I have NEVER lied to ANY of my customers. I ONLY report my own findings & the findings reported to me. These cams were experimental in theory & no such cam has ever been manufactured. So definitive results take time to be revealed. You cannot install a cam, drive a few miles & call it a failure. I cannot be anymore to the point, in fact, I even wrote it out that this cam was for the person in search of every MPG that they could get and by NO means is an offroad/performance cam. I have tried nothing more than try to bring my expertise to this group. A small handful of you have been nothing less then a pleasure to work with ( & you know you who you are ). But in general, as a group, you are the rudest, most ungrateful group who has no respect, or understanding for that matter, of what I do for a living. The general lack of appreciation, to say it nicely, for the effort & cost that goes into developing performance parts, most of which have never been done before, is UNBELIEVABLE. I thought that bringing the parts that are necessary to up that ante would be embraced. But I believe that a junk yard or trash bin will ALWAYS be the preferred source. My attempt to infuse what can be done to a little engine remains thwarted but those who "if they knew they knew nothing they would atleast know something". My retraction wasn't about the massive loss of money I incurred, but more from the lack of appreciation for providing hours of advice, top notch products & continuing to do so at a loss because i took a genuine interest in your group. The parts that I provide to you will NEVER work correctly if you are NOT COMPLETELY honest with me about your setup, how you intend to drive & what your expectations are. For what I have provided to this group, this BASHING is the "THANKS" I get!

[Prafeston]

Matt, I never intended on getting anything from you because frankly I bought a Festiva more for the economy, but I did think it was very cool what you were doing for those interested in spending the dough to "up the ante". I've been sitting back and watching some of the bashing going on from a select few for months. I totally understand why you are backing out. From what I've seen you know your stuff and you'd sacrificed a bunch of time and money producing parts for us and it's sad to see the way you have been treated. It's a shame some of these MPG cam numbers aren't coming back more positively, but from the sounds of it it may have only taken a trip to your shop to dial it in. Plus like you said, you've only made what...like 3? And you had very little R&D. It was an experiment to say the least. And unfortunately now because it's not working for whatever reason for a few people everyone is up in arms about it. Enjoy making money from a group of car guys elsewhere that will actually be happy to give you their money.

[sketchman]

Not really sure what could be dialed in. I guess you could lean out the VAF, but that's really not a thing that a pro does I don't think. More of a backyard fix, but then I don't know for sure.

Unless you had an adjustable cam gear, but then you're into more money and time and Tom has already shown it is good at stock setting, etc, but I digress.

Just so we're clear, I have no hard feelings toward Matt about this. I knew it was an experiment. It didn't work for me. That happens. Moving on.

[1chrisapple]

People like you are EXACTLY why I am no longer producing parts "for you". You told me you wanted a cam done while your engine was being rebuilt. You called & said that you were in a HUGE rush cause your engine was finished & you are ONLY waiting on the cam & that you are having to borrow & rent cars to get to work. I have NEVER lied to ANY of my customers. I ONLY report my own findings & the findings reported to me. These cams were experimental in theory & no such cam has ever been manufactured. So definitive results take time to be revealed. You cannot install a cam, drive a few miles & call it a failure. I cannot be anymore to the point, in fact, I even wrote it out that this cam was for the person in search of every MPG that they could get and by NO means is an offroad/performance cam. I have tried nothing more than try to bring my expertise to this group. A small handful of you have been nothing less then a pleasure to work with ( & you know you who you are ). But in general, as a group, you are the rudest, most ungrateful group who has no respect, or understanding for that matter, of what I do for a living. The general lack of appreciation, to say it nicely, for the effort & cost that goes into developing performance parts, most of which have never been done before, is UNBELIEVABLE. I thought that bringing the parts that are necessary to up that ante would be embraced. But I believe that a junk yard or trash bin will ALWAYS be the preferred source. My attempt to infuse what can be done to a little engine remains thwarted but those who "if they knew they knew nothing they would atleast know something". My retraction wasn't about the massive loss of money I incurred, but more from the lack of appreciation for providing hours of advice, top notch products & continuing to do so at a loss because i took a genuine interest in your group. The parts that I provide to you will NEVER work correctly if you are NOT COMPLETELY honest with me about your setup, how you intend to drive & what your expectations are. For what I have provided to this group, this BASHING is the "THANKS" I get!

hey boss back the hell up I never asked u to make any kinda parts for me,ive never rebuilt a festy engine. to me its not worth it and further more im the second person u blamed some crap on about rebuilding an engine with ur cam.you don't even know who was giving u a hard time before man come on. if u wanted to make your car cool and fast good do it at a loss on ur time but don't blame people for u not making money when u know deep down with the skills u have u could be making awesome parts for people with big bucks and don't care to throw money at u but idc what way u look at it festivas are cheap.cheap to drive cheap to build to go faster,cheap to get parts for,parts easily swapped from many other cars.all the experimental parts and crazy amount of time spent on 1 off parts and the guy with damn near the fastest car on here is a junkyard engine with a few good parts but otherwise stock engine.i think you should have stepped back awhile ago and asked yourself am I making money selling these parts?no well u could have satisfied your own festy needs in ur spare time and also been making your oddlles of money as ur day job so now I wish u good luck and hope u make all the money u can and no way in hell were u making a cam for an engine I rebuilt and if u think it was me then post evidence.i wasn't even interested in one

[zoom zoom]

People like you are EXACTLY why I am no longer producing parts "for you". You told me you wanted a cam done while your engine was being rebuilt. You called & said that you were in a HUGE rush cause your engine was finished & you are ONLY waiting on the cam & that you are having to borrow & rent cars to get to work. I have NEVER lied to ANY of my customers. I ONLY report my own findings & the findings reported to me. These cams were experimental in theory & no such cam has ever been manufactured. So definitive results take time to be revealed. You cannot install a cam, drive a few miles & call it a failure. I cannot be anymore to the point, in fact, I even wrote it out that this cam was for the person in search of every MPG that they could get and by NO means is an offroad/performance cam. I have tried nothing more than try to bring my expertise to this group. A small handful of you have been nothing less then a pleasure to work with ( & you know you who you are ). But in general, as a group, you are the rudest, most ungrateful group who has no respect, or understanding for that matter, of what I do for a living. The general lack of appreciation, to say it nicely, for the effort & cost that goes into developing performance parts, most of which have never been done before, is UNBELIEVABLE. I thought that bringing the parts that are necessary to up that ante would be embraced. But I believe that a junk yard or trash bin will ALWAYS be the preferred source. My attempt to infuse what can be done to a little engine remains thwarted but those who "if they knew they knew nothing they would atleast know something". My retraction wasn't about the massive loss of money I incurred, but more from the lack of appreciation for providing hours of advice, top notch products & continuing to do so at a loss because i took a genuine interest in your group. The parts that I provide to you will NEVER work correctly if you are NOT COMPLETELY honest with me about your setup, how you intend to drive & what your expectations are. For what I have provided to this group, this BASHING is the "THANKS" I get!

Lol


/no serious tho, if you want to make Performance camshaft shift knobs instead I won't get mad at you and berate you and treat you like a dog and scream at you and insult your friends because I've been doing it longer and I'm a mediocre at best self proclaimed expert in the field. Might help you offset the loss of profit you've suffered so your welcome for the idea! Good luck!

[sketchman]

1chrisapple, Matt might be mistaken in this instance (concerning you), but he speaks from legit issues with the forum members. Just search some threads of his. Things weren't handled honestly and not on his end, which is why I made that comment several posts back about there being more to it than you might understand. Just understand he wasted time and money because it was supposed to pay off for him. Not his assumptions. Some forum members' "request" for parts. Again, not what this thread is about.

zoom zoom, making cam knobs will be a last resort, but I graciously accept your offer.

[zoom zoom]

Yea no sweat bro I'm a professional, being courteous and helpful and kind is how we professionals do it. It's nice to be needed but you need to be nice. Otherwise you end up out of work and in a ton of debt. Pro

[mattdickmeyer]

When i wrote ''YOU'' I meant you as in the person that it was revlevent to, as to not name names & you as the group in general.And its clear that many of you don't get it, yes i need to make a living just as we all do. My intent is not to make a living off one person and it's not about the money.I'm not sure how i'm the bad guy in this i have solicited no one, people contact me with orders and when their finished i expect you to pay for it as agreed.At some point i have to tap out and move on. Some of you just cant concead to he fact that i know what i'm doing.Many of you have to be the pro on here, leaving no room for any one else. Research me , I am mong the best in my industry, not bragging just stating the facts. Only intended to infuse some modern tech to your application.This is like when someone cuts you of in taffic and then flips you off.

[1chrisapple]

Ok dude im done good luck move on now

[1chrisapple]

Yea no sweat bro I'm a professional, being courteous and helpful and kind is how we professionals do it. It's nice to be needed but you need to be nice. Otherwise you end up out of work and in a ton of debt. Pro

U r a nut

[nitrofarm]

Things that make me scratch my head-
Home Brew Mechanic's who drive a Festiva 1.3L with 62 hp and want even better economy and start modifying the engine and engine management.
Then the same said people who do "Tests" on this new "Setup" and "Report their Findings" on Fordfestiva.com (Really...you ran a couple tanks of gas through it and that's the test?):cry_smile:
So what I've read between these lines is this- Mazda Engineers in Japan didnt get it quite right and I can fix this myself. (You see this thought process on many Car forums,not just here)
Research,development,time and the equipment necessary to legitimize any mpg findings makes this goal very difficult.
Here is my cynical view on the MPG topic:
Make more power than MAZDA but increase fuel consumption = Easy
Make more power than MAZDA without affecting fuel consumption = Not so easy
Make the same amount of power as MAZDA but improve fuel consumption and not effect drive-ability and the longevity of the engines life = You are Legit