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  • #61
    I bought a DGEV a while back and never could get it to work right. Once I got all the vacuum leaks fixed (by making my own gaskets as the ones that came with it wouldn't seal worth a crap.. and using indian head sealant) I got it to run halfway decent but still had problems when it would transition from the idle to the main circuit. After trying about a dozen different jet combinations and about a dozen different float adjustments it still wasn't quite right.

    I did make good improvement by shaving a little bit off of the throttle plate. It looked as if it was too low and wasn't letting air flow across the port properly which was causing it to fall flat on its face (and sometimes backfire) under light acceleration. That's because it was leaning out too much between the idle circuit and the main circuit. If I gave it more gas it would smooth out and work great!

    Then I decided to try an Escort carb which is actually a Weber carb as well but different from the DGEV. I got a used one for $15 shipped, a rebuilt kit for $15 shipped and I had to buy an idle mixture screw (as it was missing) for about $12 (mostly shipping as it was shipped from Italy). Then I rebuilt it and slapped it on and it's been AWESOME ever since. I was able to modify the factory air cleaner to work and I could probably do the same with the DGEV air cleaner if I wanted to.

    The Escort carb also has two huge advantages over the DGEV. The first is that it has a fuel cut-off solenoid. If you leave your computer intact you could wire in a relay and have it actually cut off fuel during decel to save a bit of gas (although I don't have that setup just yet). The second advantage is that you don't have to take the damn thing apart to get to the jets. You remove the air cleaner and they are right there.

    I used it in combination with a wide band to tune it and got it up to 44MPG (mixed city/hwy). Since my EGR system is still intact and working I'm not too worried about pre-detonation and have NEVER heard any pinging - even when cruising around at a 17:1 A/F ratio. I'm going to have to enrichen things a bit though as it's running like dog poo during these cold winter days. It doesn't like to take much throttle until it warms up for a few minutes and even fully warmed up it has a bit of lag at moderate throttle. I'll get it worked out though.

    You might want to first check the fuel hose between the frame line and the fuel filter before condemning the carburetor. I've heard of these collapsing internally and restricting fuel flow. Go ahead and put a new filter in while you're at it.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by MasterTec View Post
      Then I decided to try an Escort carb which is actually a Weber carb as well but different from the DGEV.
      So.. are they the same bolt pattern? Or will my Rocketman adapter not work, thus needing me to have the intake manifold machined?

      Didn't realize it had a fuel cut-off solenoid.. that sounds wonderful.

      -Joe
      White '92 GL 5-speed BP, G series, Aspire/Rio swapped, "Nancy"
      White '89 LX 5-speed, Aspire swapped, Weber carb
      1988 LX 5-speed
      ​​​1993 L 5-speed B8, E series, Aspire/Rio swapped

      Gone:

      1986 Chevrolet Sprint 1990 L Plus Auto

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Spike View Post
        I have a question, almost made a thread on it.

        Those who have tried, is the 1.6L Escort carb the same 'bolt pattern' as the Weber everyone's trying? If so, first thing I'll do when I have money is buy one.

        Sorry to threadjack, but I believe Huggins asked the same question earlier.

        -Joe
        No. The Escort carb has a different bolt pattern from the Webers everyone uses.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by MasterTec View Post
          You might want to first check the fuel hose between the frame line and the fuel filter before condemning the carburetor. I've heard of these collapsing internally and restricting fuel flow. Go ahead and put a new filter in while you're at it.
          Mastertec! That is a very good idea!
          I was one who posted about that and have thread about it. Dont know why I didnt think of it!!! Thank you! Maybe this can help Hugginsville with the problem.
          Let me get that thread posted here ...give me a second ....

          Found it!

          Post #5 of this thread describes the fuel line collapse issue I had. It is a good thing to check, it can cause some issues for sure! Easy check too!

          http://www.fordfestiva.com/forums/sh...-now-won-t-run
          Last edited by drddan; 01-06-2014, 12:41 AM.
          Dan




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          • #65
            Originally posted by zoe60 View Post
            No. The Escort carb has a different bolt pattern from the Webers everyone uses.
            Poop.

            White '92 GL 5-speed BP, G series, Aspire/Rio swapped, "Nancy"
            White '89 LX 5-speed, Aspire swapped, Weber carb
            1988 LX 5-speed
            ​​​1993 L 5-speed B8, E series, Aspire/Rio swapped

            Gone:

            1986 Chevrolet Sprint 1990 L Plus Auto

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            • #66
              I should be able to drill the different pattern into my adapters without any problems. Just need an escort carb to borrow, maybe a gasket would do instead
              1991 Mercury Capri XR2 "GTXR2" BPT Swapped AWD Conversion

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              • #67
                A gasket will work fine. I used a gasket for the Weber 32/36 to make my adaptor. Nice cheap way to get the bolt pattern and throat opening.
                Dan




                Red 1988 Festiva L - CUJO

                Black 1992 Festiva GL Sport - BLACK MAGIC

                I'm just...a little slow... sometimes:withstupid:

                R.I.P.
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                Black on black 1976 Camaro LT-350 4 bolt main .060 over
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                • #68
                  I just bought an Escort gasket this morning on the bay. I have three manifolds that I am going to have welded to accomodate that gasket.

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                  • #69
                    " so i started digging around deeper looked at the fuel lined from the tank fwd and lo and behold i found an old old fuel filter buried down low and with a pretty good collapsed fuel line, cool this has to be it well i went and got some fuel line at the parts store, slapped it in and started it up and no-go, darn thing is still stumbling off idle tho not nearly as bad, so i tried it without my pressure regulater like some have suggested again no change."

                    yep i found that collapsed fuel line!

                    these carbs seemed to be remanufactured, at least mine does, as the airhorn thing down in the venturi has what looks like quite a bit of erosion on it, i would think a brand new carb would not have that, am I wrong in this assumption?

                    and if i am right i am really having questions about the quality of this weber , also when i got the idle jets the quality on these jets were less than desirable, those who have these webers will understand what i am talking about ,what i mean by this is the .60 that came with the carb, fit fine in the carb of course, but the new jets there was a difference and the difference was from the hole in the side of the jet to the "step down" that fits in the screw , doesnt seem like much but it was a huge problem the original jet was 1/32-1/64 LESS distance between the hole and the step down, what problem this caused was that the new jet was all nice and bottomed out in the carb before the screw had a chance to seal with the oring,so i had to fab 2 thin washers and add to the screw so the oring would seal, like i said i am really questioning the quality of these webers..I tend to get anal on measurements and such , I have been working in the aviation industry as a mechanic for 30 yrs and we work with really high tolerances and not crap like this.

                    rocket man let me know if /when you get the escort carb adapter?

                    , has anyone done any other after market carb on the festy, say a holley ?

                    also has anyone delt with webers direct in a phone call, are they just a distribution site or would someone there actually know anything about their carbs?

                    thanks guys for your help, hope someone is learning something from this , i know i am unfortunetly it has cost me around 300+ bucks so far and i still DO NOT have a drivable car,

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                    • #70
                      Thats doesnt sound kosher with the jets. I know there are different style jets. That is I had gotten jets that the heads were different. Some have the head that is the same diameter as the thread body, and some had a large head, bigger than the thread body. I wanna say the large head were made by holley and the small heads were Weber. I know I prefer the small head jets.
                      Also the corrosion you speak of, inside the carb sounds fishy!!!
                      I forget, was this carb from Weber direct, or from Redline? I know the Redline are new carbs for sure, I dont know about the Weber Direct carbs.

                      Its good you found the fuel line issue, as it WILL cause problems at sometime when the line collapse's.
                      Dan




                      Red 1988 Festiva L - CUJO

                      Black 1992 Festiva GL Sport - BLACK MAGIC

                      I'm just...a little slow... sometimes:withstupid:

                      R.I.P.
                      Blue 1972 Chevelle SS-468 C.I.D. B'nM TH400-4:56 posi-Black racing stripes-Black vinyl top-Black int.
                      Black on black 1976 Camaro LT-350 4 bolt main .060 over
                      Silver 1988 Festiva L

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                      • #71
                        I would never ever use a weber again some have had good luck but I had night mares like u r having I finally gave up.i tried a escort carb once and it was a lot better

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                        • #72
                          My Weber runs great! Idles smooth, lots of power. I think most people over engineer a little. I did have an air leak around the base for a while, but I made new gaskets and used fuel resistant sealer and fixed that. I think Huggins should do 3 things:
                          1. Get a timing light and set your base timing to 12*
                          2. Spray around the base with carb cleaner and see if the idle changes indicating an air leak. If it leaks, fix it.
                          3. PUT YOUR .140 MAINS BACK ON! What, are you just too stubborn to try something that might fix it? It would only take 15 minutes to try for Christ's sake! Oh yeah, Good luck!
                          Last edited by zoe60; 01-06-2014, 06:32 PM.

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                          • #73
                            I had a Weber on my '89, but was not impressed by it. Screwy air cleaner design. Narrow range of adjustment.
                            I switched to Mikunis. They run great. I will post videos in the spring. It's in storage right now. All nice and shiny, under a car cover. I refuse to enter "Festiva of the Month" until there are at least three of us with twins competing against each other. I want the competition to be "apples to apples".

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by bravekozak View Post
                              I had a Weber on my '89, but was not impressed by it. Screwy air cleaner design. Narrow range of adjustment.
                              I switched to Mikunis. They run great. I will post videos in the spring. It's in storage right now. All nice and shiny, under a car cover. I refuse to enter "Festiva of the Month" until there are at least three of us with twins competing against each other. I want the competition to be "apples to apples".
                              you know brave u sure post a lot but I have yet to see a full on pic of any of ur cars what are u hiding?lol

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                              • #75
                                i tore the carb back down today and cleaned everything out again, will try the .140's and see what happens,

                                yep Drd i was less than thrilled with the jets quality and differences in the cuts on them, on a side note when i tore it down today and got a better look at those horns it turned out to be casting marks and not erosion, still pretty sloppy in my opinion

                                couple questions to the ones with webers or have tried webers, did you have a stock fuel pump? electric fuel pump? anybody add a regulator to the fuel system?

                                Bk mikunis???? tell me more

                                i still dont see how these webers wont work its a pretty simple concept, not much to a carb, i just dont get it ,,,,,yet

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