B3 Turbo on a budget

[ruppenduro]

yea guys, I'm trying to sell but really no bites? I thought $1000 was a fair price. I ended up buying a bmw convertible really cheap and decided to register that. I don`t really need to sell the festiva, but I hate to see it just sitting here with so much potential.

[FB71]

where have you guys been?...

http://www.fordfestiva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38736

[91_festy_Gl]

For sale?

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/2630780827.html

No doubt! WTF is up with that?

[JPT]

For sale?

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/2630780827.html

[Advancedynamix]

For all those interested. Honda one way check valves are extremely strong and don't leak under boost. I have been using them for years on everything from 800hp Porsche twin turbo monsters to my b6t festiva and I've never had one leak. Honda cars from the late 80's have lots of vacume line (which is also top quality dual density rubber line) and lots of check valves in different sizes. The accords from the mid to late 90's had a very nice booster check valve with a little rubber boot over it, they are strong and hold my shop pressure (120psi) without a leak. This has been a cost saver for me over the years.

Nice job man! I bet you can run up to 8 psi safely on a solid engine, but you should double check with a wideband to be sure your not running lean.

[91_festy_Gl]

No, you've got it, I just think you don't fully realize all of the extra stuff that's added to the installation of this.
As far as the question "what will 7 psi do to that engine" I know what it will do because I run 10 psi against the stock
(but new) pistons, rings, and rods in my B6, no problem.
I've also had all that stuff cyro treated by 300 Below in Illinois, but had a chance to see the affect on all stock parts,
and it all held together fine for me.

Not to thread jack but, Seems as though a lot of you could be interested if I made up some inexpensive turbo manifolds for your B3's and B6's?
What I can do is pick up a couple of new Aspire manifolds and have 2 types of flanges made, a T-25 type, and a KO3 type. New because
although "used" donor manifolds would certainly be less expensive, you'd have no way of knowing if any cracks are forming and/or how much longer you
could expect it to last. Both of these size turbos (t-25/28, and KO3's) are inexpensive and are readily available new, used, and of course in their
knock off form on ebay all day long.
I'll fab up these two different unit's against a block I've got to get an Idea of how much they'll cost to produce, and then get pictures up as soon
as they're done with projected pricing.

I am so down for a B3 turbo manifold and could possibly be the first buyer if you do deside to build a t-25 manifold depending on the price. I am glad the OP attempted this because it has inspired me! With a proper tuning and maybe some internal work done, the B3 might prove to be a peppy little engine on logical amounts of boost.

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It'll be awhile before I can mess with a turbo, i've got a months worth of work as is lol...

[iceracerdude]

What am I not understanding?

Karl

No, you've got it, I just think you don't fully realize all of the extra stuff that's added to the installation of this.
As far as the question "what will 7 psi do to that engine" I know what it will do because I run 10 psi against the stock
(but new) pistons, rings, and rods in my B6, no problem.
I've also had all that stuff cyro treated by 300 Below in Illinois, but had a chance to see the affect on all stock parts,
and it all held together fine for me.

Not to thread jack but, Seems as though a lot of you could be interested if I made up some inexpensive turbo manifolds for your B3's and B6's?
What I can do is pick up a couple of new Aspire manifolds and have 2 types of flanges made, a T-25 type, and a KO3 type. New because
although "used" donor manifolds would certainly be less expensive, you'd have no way of knowing if any cracks are forming and/or how much longer you
could expect it to last. Both of these size turbos (t-25/28, and KO3's) are inexpensive and are readily available new, used, and of course in their
knock off form on ebay all day long.
I'll fab up these two different unit's against a block I've got to get an Idea of how much they'll cost to produce, and then get pictures up as soon
as they're done with projected pricing.

[ruppenduro]

a b8 turbo would be awesome, as long as you have enough clutch lol.

I found this clutch on ebay, but i'll wait and see how my oem handles the road before buying.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bahnhof-Stage-1-Performance-Race-Complete-Clutch-Kit-/160586629986?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AFestiva&hash=item2563b58362

I do think 7 psi is feasable, but its really pushing the limits on stock fueling. I've run 8psi on a few nissan sr20's with non turbo ecu's/stock injectors.

[Safety Guy]

"I wonder if she would hold 7psi?"

Let's not get too excited now! You won't be the one pulling the blown engine and putting in the new one!

I like the idea of "bolting on" some real horsepower that won't cost a fortune and won't hurt the gas mileage too much.

Just think of doing this to a B8:

-stock B8: 103 hp
-3# boost: 124 hp
-4# boost: 131 hp
-5# boost: 138 hp

Run just four pounds of boost on a B8 and you have a rough approximation of a BP, but without the hassle of firewall clearance, extra wiring, etc. And you should get slightly better MPGs, too.

Again, it may not be this simple, and you do have to do some work, but if you already have a B6 or B8, you can add extra ponies without another engine swap, or serious engine work.

One key would be to be patient and slowly collect your expensive parts as you can get them for really good prices. For example, I just picked up four Honda VX wheels this week for $80.00. I thought I'd have to spend over $150 or $200 for some!

Patience is a virtue!

Karl

[91_festy_Gl]

If you had a way to monitor the air fuel ratio, you could play with the boost alittle and see what happens. I wonder if she would hold 7psi?

[lanemeyer14]

Loving your work man! This is the kind of stuff I'd put together if I knew anything about it!

[ruppenduro]

Thanks for the response guys.

The car is still running great, although its not registered so I just run it up and down the street. I'll be driving it daily soon.

The car honestly feels like it must have 100hp, it really made all the difference making this car real fun. The power, plus the feel of boost and the cool turbo sounds made this really worth the effort in my opinion. I have 2 other b3's sitting here in case, but I think this one is going to hold just fine. Sure a b8 might have the same power, but its just not as cool. Its a nice simple set up, and I had fun building it.

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I'd like to see dyno reports and some gas mileage readings on this lol.. if iceracer is right, and iceracer is generally usually, well.. always, right, that's an 80 horse motor with a 100 ftlb of torque.

Overall tho, it does seem like a cost effective way of getting more bang for your buck as far as hp goes, i mean your talking hundreds v potentially thousands...without the hassle and headache of swapping motors/ecu's/harnesses/custom mounts n crossmembers/mix n match axels.......

Really I think it's a very interesting idea, if I can find a used turbo for cheap I might even do this myself. At 200k miles it's anybodys guess how much longer the engines gonna hold up anyway lol..

[Safety Guy]

So what about a 4 psi small turbo (assuming good quality turbocharger) done like this with no intercooler? Would the stock B6 injectors and VAF hold up for normal driving (not racing)?

Would a small intercooler help longevity?

Parts would be collected through time, taking advantage of ebay and Craigslist "deals" (good quality stuff that people NEED to sell NOW).

Quick response, additional power (98 to 104 hp B6 at 3 to 4 psi boost), good MPGs when not flogging it, and all under $400?

A 103hp stock B8 swap (to a currently B6 car) would cost about as much (installing new WP, timing belt, gaskets and seals, etc.) and get slightly worse MPGs.

What am I not understanding?

Karl