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  • #31
    Originally posted by beazo View Post
    True, but in saying that, there is no reason to add any more or allow existing ones to remain, and perhaps a bigger turbo later in life will alleviate all of the restrictions totally.
    That is typically the cheapest bang for the buck. 1000 dollar head job, 15 percent gain. Turn the boost up for free.


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    • #32
      Hopefully my head work will cost me less than 1000 dollars. All i need is some long polishing stones and some long carbide burs. And a lot of ear plugs, lol.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by beazo View Post
        Hopefully my head work will cost me less than 1000 dollars. All i need is some long polishing stones and some long carbide burs. And a lot of ear plugs, lol.
        Ear plugs for sure.

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        • #34
          What the saying about head porting, raise the roof don't lower the floor? Or is it the other way around

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          • #35
            Not sure about that one man, sorry.

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            • #36
              On a b3, your going to blow it up before your throttle body is an issue. However, airflow through a turbocharged engine is more important than through a naturally aspirated engine. Thinking of boost pressure as a cure all bandaid will result in a poorly tuned turbosystem.
              A turbocharger is a centrifugal supercharger. This means that it speeds the air up so fast that the weight of the air is what compresses it. Anything that slows down the air will reduce the efficiency of this system. Boost pressure builds at the point of most resistance and backs up from there. It doesn't build at the turbocharger and go towards the valves. In a non intercooler setup with an open (or non existent, like in a diesel) throttle body, pressure will start building at the intake valves and back it's way up to the compressor. Any restrictions in flow will reduce the air speed and thus reduce the efficiency of the system.
              If the system has a charge air cooler, boost pressure will build initially in the charge cooler. This reduces the efficiency of the system until the cooler is able to absorb enough heat to maintain air density. It is best to run without an intercooler if your going to run less than 10psi of boost. The benefits of an intercooler, with most modern turbochargers, can only outweigh the pressure drop at charge pressures over 12psi (obviously this depends on cooler design and placement).
              Brian's intake manifold cooler is a good idea because the charge cooler is integrated into the plenum. You'd want to isolate the manifold from the head with a composite spacer to reduce heat transfer to the manifold.
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              • #37
                My question is, why go to all the trouble and cost of making the b3 into something it was never designed to be when you can drop the very worthy B6t in there and put all your savings into the rest of the car. I am just baffled. Sorry just my opinion.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by azgtx View Post
                  My question is, why go to all the trouble and cost of making the b3 into something it was never designed to be when you can drop the very worthy B6t in there and put all your savings into the rest of the car. I am just baffled. Sorry just my opinion.
                  Moar power on boost, B3 NA gas mileage off boost.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by TominMO View Post
                    Moar power on boost, B3 NA gas mileage off boost.
                    But it's so terrible to drive on the highway. Lol. I'd rather sacrifice getting into the 40mpg range of it ment I could hold 70 in a head wind.

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                    • #40
                      I can easily hold 70 mph even with a 30+ mph headwind and still accelerate. Bone stock NA b3 with a mild port and FPR. Boost just makes it more fun.
                      Trees aren't kind to me...

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                      94 Justy 4WD, 87 Fiero GT, plus 2 parts cars. That's my fleet.

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                      • #41
                        I've thought about turbocharging a b3 a few times, but I know myself too well and a little more power is never enough. In the long run, putting a stronger engine in will save a lot of time, effort and money. These cars feel slow with 180ft.lbs of TQ when they are dialed in. 130ft.lbs is not exciting at all. Lol.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Advancedynamix View Post
                          I've thought about turbocharging a b3 a few times, but I know myself too well and a little more power is never enough. In the long run, putting a stronger engine in will save a lot of time, effort and money. These cars feel slow with 180ft.lbs of TQ when they are dialed in. 130ft.lbs is not exciting at all. Lol.
                          You sure have interesting problems! :-)
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                          09 Kia Rondo--a Festy on steroids!

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                          • #43
                            ^Supercar killer world problems. lol
                            Any difference that makes no difference is no difference.

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                            • #44
                              I'm not trying to discourage the OP from his goals, but we've all read this book before. Most b3 turbos end up blown up and swapped for a bigger and stronger power plant. I don't know what the cost for a donor engine is in Australia, but here it's cheap enough to not bother with the b3 in the first place. Since Australia got more variety of B series engines than we did, I can't help but assume a donor engine is easier to locate than a box full of trick B3 turbo parts from the U.S. lol.
                              If your going to just weld a turbo to your manifold, plumb it real quick and go burn up your clutch then look up BUSTIVA's build or ZepTheChef built one like that too. You can turbo it in an afternoon and waste the clutch by morning. Lol
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by azgtx View Post
                                My question is, why go to all the trouble and cost of making the b3 into something it was never designed to be when you can drop the very worthy B6t in there and put all your savings into the rest of the car. I am just baffled. Sorry just my opinion.
                                Since I will be doing all the work myself, and already have a b3 available, this is already the cheaper option for me, and the simple fact that almost all festiva engine swaps that i am aware of are b6's or something very similar, I have decided to not walk that path and be a little more adventurous. I appreciate your opinion very much.
                                Cheers

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