I have no experience with Hi Points, but multiple gun people I know and trust say not to rely on them. They may do just fine with ball ammo and at the "square range," but you need to be testing them in foul weather, in the dirt and in rapid fire with minimal cleaning to simulate hard use. Good military spec weapons will do this. Many "civilian spec" weapons will not.
I'd never trade an Enfield for a Hi Point!! Enfields are tried and true, run through the history of the 20th century! All you need to do is to put a couple hundred rounds through with no malfs or misfires (due to the gun) and then you're about as assured as you can be of having a combat ready weapon. Doughboys (I'm including the M1917 here), Tommies and Ghurkas can't all be wrong!
I think I'd run an 870 or a 500 in any gauge (or even .410 caliber!) with slugs as a carbine before I'd run a Hi Point, and yes, I'm including the ones with five shot tubes and even hunting length barrels!
I have no problem with Hi Points as "fun guns" if you want one. But there are better used alternatives for those who need a serious defensive piece, whether talking rifle or pistol. Maks in either caliber, Tokarevs, used revolvers, all are better options.
For example, Fobus holsters are widely considered junk, but I even bought one. Mine is adjustable for cant, etc., but I got it for experimenting with different positions and not for defensive carry or even a serious training course. It's only purpose is as a cheap adjustable holster for trying out new positions. That's it.
The lowly single shot shotgun is often the best choice for someone who has no money, compared to the cheap pistol offerings out there. SS shotguns of almost any decent "medium" brand will always go "bang" when you need them to, and they have enough power and accuracy to get the job done from across-the-room distances. Any money you save with one goes for practice ammo, and a couple good quality dummy rounds to practice quick second shots. And after that they make a much better club than any .25 auto!
My Cheap Home Defense choices:
-H&R Topper in 12 or 20 gauge with a fabric stock ammo sleeve and standard 2 and 3/4" 00 buck for main load (if cost is REALLY critical, then a box of large birdshot high brass shells provides 20 practice shots and 5 for the gun)
-Ontario short machete (12" blade and sawtooth spine)
-Spyderco Delica in pocket (waved version if possible)
-A well chosen improvised weapon in each room (usually heavy blunt objects with good handholds)
-Round it all out with at least one "Old Hickory" brand full tang butcher knife or cleaver for the kitchen. BTW, I have both.
Karl
I had a hipoint 9mm carbine and I loved that thing. Best gun I ever bought under 300 dollars and it was new. I didn't have a single problem with mine and I shot a lot of rounds through mine. And customer service is top notch. The only thing I didn't like is the mags only come in ten rounders. Not that fun for rapid fire . I would say for a cheap gun go buy one. The new ones have last round bolt catch and everything.
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I put about 50 rds through my C9 pistol, and had 2 feed errors. Then, I fixed the mag guides... haven't had a problem since.
I haven't put anything down range w/ the .45, but I imagine that it won't have any problems, either, and if it does, I'll just keep tweaking it until it doesn't. I've got time, but I'm not willing to spend egregious sums of money on name brand steel when it's unlikely that my HP equipment will actually fail.
I figured since everyone used this as the new guns thread I would continue. I picked this up today for 570 dollars. It is a Taurus pt1911 in .45 acp. I haven't shot it yet but can't wait.
Anybody else have any more to add. I love looking at guns.
93 Festiva L White B6T
99 Dodge Ram STL Green Cummins. AKA the Jolly Green Giant
89 Festiva Blue
91 Green “Mad Maxine” Festiva B6T
93 Festiva GL Black BP automatic
93 Festiva GL Green stock
93 Festiva L White B6T
99 Dodge Ram STL Green Cummins. AKA the Jolly Green Giant
89 Festiva Blue
91 Green “Mad Maxine” Festiva B6T
93 Festiva GL Black BP automatic
93 Festiva GL Green stock
ive been collecting old guns a long time with my C&R liscense . then trading them,every so often. u,do nice stock work.my favorites are my AK, russian sks and 2 spanish destroyers.u,ever shoot a tokerav pistol? 762.25 will go thru armor plate. mdoyleufo@gmail.com
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