Matthew

[bhazard]

Stock bottom end huh? So basically fully ported head, big valves, cam, intake, exhaust...for nearly double the whp? Where's the DAE haters?

[Team Lightning]

Since I'm probably one of the haters you are referring to, Did it ever occur to you that I have respect for Tom?
I'm waiting to see the 1/4 mile times. Brad, do you believe it's gonna do 13's like Matt said?

[Rocketman]

Need accurate RPM #'s for accurate HP numbers.

[eurotiva]

With all due respect to Tom and his mighty little b3, that made really good numbers.
I can say that it's
Definitely not a 13 second car, by any means. I made 154whp and went 14.0@98. Flyin4stroke made 174 and went 13.9
This was a couple years ago.

I'll gladly try to prove myself wrong.

Call me a hater too, but for the amount of money it would cost someone to buy and build a dae b3, they could build my setup.

[Team Lightning]

Call me a hater too, but for the amount of money it would cost someone to buy and build a dae b3, they could build my setup.

And I'm figuring a nice chunk of change left over too.

[sketchman]

Lol if you believe that, my first gen b6 is putting down 150@the crank with stock intake!

Stock SOHC Neon on a Dynojet. Rated at 132hp crank from the factory. IIRC they didn't accurately rate engines back then, either. Something about being a bare running long block without any accessories.

Anyway, it is absolutely possible.

EDIT: This one works a little better.

[Zanzer]

I'm just gonna lightning round this one since I'm a day or so behind the posts LOL

First off, congrats Tom. That a respectable number for a B3 :thumbup:

- The Mustang Dyno is called "The Heart Breaker". But the number you get is real world tires to the pavement.

- 20% drive line loss is more of a calculation for an auto car. For a manual car, 15% will be more accurate.

- :highly_amused: @ DON SVO. I'm totally using that quote next chance I get :mrgreen:


- 135hp is still very optimistic. It would be closer to the 112hp Dynojet number that was originally getting kicked around until all the "but with a turbo" speculation kicked in.

Since I'm probably one of the haters you are referring to, Did it ever occur to you that I have respect for Tom?
I'm waiting to see the 1/4 mile times. Brad, do you believe it's gonna do 13's like Matt said?

X2

I'm probably considered a member of that club since I always like to see that pesky evidence when something is reported. Again, 92hp is respectable and I'm glad Tom got this car and someone finally put it to the test. Good on you Tom! At least I can hopefully still be counted as a member of your fan club LOL


With regards to what this car was originally reported as being capable of: 13's? It would be more like mid 15's with a good driver. Sorry, but the rules of Physics still apply even in the Festiva world.

Also, seeing as my basically bone stock B3 put down 71hp on a cousin to the Mustang Dyno; I'm pretty sure I can find another 20hp for much less than 3-4k . I'm with Jerry and Greg on this one.



Now back on topic -

Way to go Tom, keep up the good work and keep us updated :thumbup:

[scitzz]

Where's the DAE haters?

Still right here waiting for the 13 second 1/4! Even if we are stoked for Tom putting down good numbers on the dyno!

Tom, good score, I hope that car makes years of fun for ya!

[scitzz]

... and that B3 will have the rods vomited out faster than a runway model 2 minutes before show time.

Mark ain't the only one stealing this!

[bhazard]

That isn't a $3-4k motor build. And no I don't see it running 13's. But it definitely gives his work credibility.

[TominMO]

That isn't a $3-4k motor build. And no I don't see it running 13's. But it definitely gives his work credibility.

I see it running low-mid 15s, possibly high 14s with perfect launch and track conditions, but no more. Yes it does show he knows how to build a motor. Total build cost would be at or under $2K to dupicate this work: head work, cam, intake, header and exhaust system.

@ Arty: I thought 4th was the closest to 1:1, not 3rd or 5th. I'll check.
Edit: here's a thread showing gear ratios: http://www.fordfestiva.com/forums/sh...ht=gear+ratios
Looks like there is no 1:1 or close to it, but 4th is closest.

@ Greg: Agree with your comment on building your setup for the same cost; but this is more of an exercise in demonstration of B3 potential, not a bang-for-buck situation. Yeah, the money I spent on this car could have gone into duplicating what you have (and that or something close to it will come later), but I'm glad Matt built this thing.

[bhazard]

I say boost. Either stock or beefed up bottom end.

[TominMO]

I say boost. Either stock or beefed up bottom end.

The kweschun is how much dinero I'm willing to put into this car. I would have the bottom end built up first, then turbo. Another $1500-2000? It only makes sense if the owner falls in love with the car and plans to keep it for a long time. I'm not really there yet; may or may not ever be. Plus it really should have Aspire brakes. Starting to look like a $5K car now!

[bhazard]

I'll take it off your hands

[sketchman]

@ Arty: I thought 4th was the closest to 1:1, not 3rd or 5th. I'll check.
Edit: here's a thread showing gear ratios: http://www.fordfestiva.com/forums/sh...ht=gear+ratios
Looks like there is no 1:1 or close to it, but 4th is closest.

Maybe 3rd would show you closer to what the engine is actually doing since it would help cancel out some of the DT loss. "More effectively" 1:1? IDK.

Apparently you'll have to get a Cali 4 speed in there to layeth the accurate smack down.