Lucifer gets new Turbo setup!

[mikemounlio]

I believe Charlie runs a chipped Ecu. All the stock settings for spark.

I would like to see how he has his igniter and such mounted. Maybe mine was mounted wrong or bad or something like that!

[Advancedynamix]

I don't even run a chipped ecu on my B6t cars. They are stock except for the boost limit switch is removed.

The igniter and coil are all in the stock location on my cars, so basically look at your capri.

[mikemounlio]

So i did some good testing tonight. i wanted to see how little i could hook up the coil and still get it to work. i did this so that i know how i have been testing it is enough or not (or that it is potentially enough). So i found out that i am doing enough just to get spark! I also tested the coil from lucifer in stress relief and what do you know its bad. Parts store let me swap them out and ill have a new one on the 7th. I have the msd box all hooked up/ will be able to get it hooked up once i have a coil that works.

Whatever is wrong with the ecu it heats up the coil and the igniter and blows them. I HOPE the new coil and my new knowledge of what not to do will get me all squared up.


So ready for this damn project to be over.

also big thanks to Carlos for all the help! i have drove him crazy yet he is there to help a new guy out.

[Flyin4stroke]

Lucifer gets new Turbo setup!

Carlos isn't on the Festiva forum. I'll be dropping my car off this week to him for Evo Ecu and harness. Can't wait. He's been tuning a long time and his shop is 1 of the big shops in town. Everyone knows kings performance here.

It sounds to me like you have too much power to the igniter check your grounds as well. Maybe the igniter is having a hard time getting a good ground and causing extra load shorting it out. Regardless a little sweating in the garage won't hurt you. Most of us built our problems. Your just getting the ball rolling.

[mikemounlio]

Carlos isn't on the Festiva forum. I'll be dropping my car off this week to him for Evo Ecu and harness. Can't wait. He's been tuning a long time and his shop is 1 of the big shops in town. Everyone knows kings performance here.

It sounds to me like you have too much power to the igniter check your grounds as well. Maybe the igniter is having a hard time getting a good ground and causing extra load shorting it out. Regardless a little sweating in the garage won't hurt you. Most of us built our problems. Your just getting the ball rolling.

Yep igniter is getting to much power. 12v all the time. its just getting to hot. Im going to use my MSD box. I already took it off the buggy so might as well just use it now. Its how the last guy had his ran. I would guess his was set that way for a reason

[mikemounlio]

I might have the car running tonight. I know my msd box is good. I know the ecu will control fuel. I now have a new fresh coil. I should be able to get it to run tonight. If so that means i might just get it all back together in time for the race this Sunday. It would be so nice to finally race this dang car! I have been working very hard to get to race ready status. Its about time it happens.

[mikemounlio]

I'm giving up on my microtech ecu! I had it going at one point in time. Then my igniter went out. Since then I have not had it going again. I got spark one time but it didn't last. I have an old msd box I tried to hook up but I guess it's no good either. I never did get it to soak even once.

I'm having Carlos from Facebook make me a plug and play Evo system with cop setup. I'm done with this wiring mess.

Guess I now have time to swap in my g series.

What a mess!!!

[bhazard]

Yup two main mistakes you've made here. Going with that ecu that nobody else here runs (and I've never even heard of), and rushing your build. Whole times you're like "gotta get this done by tomorrow!"

Can't do it like that mang. Slow down, take your time, and get it right. It'll be much more enjoyable then. Cause now you're spending way more time and money.

[Advancedynamix]

Exact reason why I suggested this type of work be done to a project car while you fix the little things that made this car run crappy and enjoy it. You'd be able to enjoy these events, while also enjoy building your own car.

[azgtx]

Ouch..hate to back pedal myself. Another 800 bones for the ecu and you will need a Miata CAS to run the evo unit with the Toyota cop's...he should be able get one for you though.

[mikemounlio]

With my Britstiva car i am unsure how i want to build it. I wanted to finish Lucifer the exact way i want it before i go building another car. I wanted to know how much power can i push out of the 1.6 motor. Is that power gonna be enough for me? How does it handle? Do i like it? Do i want just raw power? Plus- i want to fully pull that car apart. top to bottom inside and out. I want to fully redo it all. Which is going to take a bunch of time. Im not ready for all that just yet.

Lucifer- i wanted to make it the way i wanted from the start! I wanted a strong pulling car that is still fun to drive. Im not making it 100% only for autocross but i want to keep it fun on the autocross track. I wanted to use this as my daily drive. To do that i wanted to get rid of the vj14 as i wanted more power then what it can handle and be reliable to get me to work without blowing up on me. I tend to drive boost happy!!! Im still going to get a custom exhaust manifold and redo the interior. Lucifer is almost done.

Once Lucifer is done i will shift focus to my offroad buggy. I want to fix it and let it go. Once its gone i will have plenty of cash to build Britstiva the way i want without worry.

[mikemounlio]

Carlos is cutting me a good deal. I think mostly to get me to leave him alone but either way he is helping out. I already have a bp dissy on the car. Yes i will be going COP style. Its not to bad as i have plenty of stuff to sell from the car now.

[Advancedynamix]

Well. That Evo setup seems like a great deal. You'll definitely be able to make more TQ than you can use.

Just for the record though, on a stock tune, with properly set up systems, the vj14 can support 180hp and 180ftlbs of tq for years and at least 70k miles, even when driven extremely hard. Anyone who has ridden with me will tell you that I drive with no mercy and am not afraid to grenade an engine. Tweak is still being driven hard by it's current owner. Together we have put 80k miles on that vj14 that I bought used from Clay (he got it from a salvage yard in town) years ago. That turbo has been across country and back twice, it's scored time attack first place trophies against corvettes and Porsche cars, and it's been daily driven very hard. To say that a vj14 can't propel a very fast and very reliable car is incorrect. Putting down more than 180ft.lbs of TQ in these cars is not easy on street tires, or even cold race tires. The fact is that a fast car is well balanced with it's HP and TQ. Too much will slow the car down. A stock b6t/g15mr is an extremely good match for a festiva chassis. The combo feels slow because it's such a well balanced combination. It takes awhile to realize how ridiculously fast the car actually is. I just worry about bit that you'll build something that is hard to drive, and mistake that as being fast (as soon many tuners do) and never get to appreciate the benefits you could have had in a well balanced system.
The g series is a good plan. You'll want the engine weight further forward if your actually going to use any of that extra power from your new setup. To fit the g series you'll need to move the engine forward about 2 inches. That will help the car out a lot on an autocross course.

[Advancedynamix]

Driving a FWD car fast is not a simple matter of having the most HP. It requires precise TQ that is consistent and predictable. That is because, on the edge, a fast driver will sling the car into the corners at such a high rate of speed that the car will slide. The driver let's the car come around until it's pointed where they want it and then the driver uses the engines TQ to tug the car out of the slide and towards the next corner. It's a dance with the throttle. If done correctly, very little brake is needed. If a festiva is driven in this manner it will corner at incredible rates of speed. If the car doesn't have enough available TQ (due to incorrect gear selection, turbo lag, or just a weak engine) the corner speed will have to be reduced to a rate that can be managed with the throttle. If the car has too abrupt a TQ curve, it will loose front wheel grip and it will want to slide off the track. Learning how to dance a fast FWD car can be difficult for new drivers. Adding an engine that is less friendly to drive might make the learning curve close to impossible.
I am a bit obsessed with driving these things fast. I think about it almost non stop. I've never driven a car that was so rewarding on the edge and it has really captivated me. I'm glad I was able to practice enough with a stock b6t to be able to toss one of these cars sideways at over 100mph and dance it without breaking a sweat. I think you would enjoy that feeling too Mike.

[shadetree]

Well said Charlie . I can't seem to explain this either . I keep telling guys they don't need that much HP . Save the money and buy the suspension and the rest of the package . I'm daily driving a well tuned b3 with your suspension package .The car feels very fast . I've driven them all, from stock to 3-400 hp ,and it's no good , the chassis won't handle it and you can't put it down . I just cost myself some future builds , but maybe they will listen to both of us .