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  • #61
    Yesterday I drove my bike the 24 mile round trip to Harbor Freight to pick up some of their long reach pliers. I had looked for hemostats and forceps on their web site without success. While there, just by chance, I came across something that looked exactly like a hemostat. When I took it down from the display I saw that it was, indeed, a hemostat, which they call a "12 Inch Locking Clamp". I secretly opened the package enough to take it out and hold it in my hands finding out how the locking mechanism worked. It was light and easy to open and close with one hand and the exact 12 inches I had determined to be the perfect length for my application. At $4.99 I couldn't resist. In fact, I returned the long reach pliers I had picked up and decided at the store that the hemostat was by far the superior tool for what I had to do.

    I stopped at Home Depot to look at their claw type pick-up tool and decided that control of the claws would have to be accurate if I was to be able to insert two of the four claws into the small opening of the tube. I knew I would have no problem getting the pointed jaw of the hemostat into the opening and once there, clamped and locked there would be no worry of the tube slipping free. At about $10, complete with light from a single LED, I decided against the pick-up tool in favor of the hemostat.

    Once home, tired from the bike ride, I decided not to use the hemostat until the next day, but that day I would only prepare the work space for tomorrow when I would be more rested and relaxed. I moved some of the spark wires out of the way, and moved the accelerator cable from the axle of the throttle and detached the bracket on the top of the valve cover so that I could move the cable to the drivers side of the engine.

    Next I decided to work on getting the needed amount of light on the work area. For that I used a 3 LED head light, removed from its head strap. It had a magnet that I used to position it so that it would shine a good bright light directly into the well of the spark plug. You can see that actual light in the photo of the empty hole in the post where I first announced my success. Flash was not used in that picture.

    Once all that was done, I stood before the engine looking at the situation. With a clear, uncluttered view of the whole area, in good bright light, and with the right tool in my hand, I felt confident and without fear. I took my place and slowly reached in and quickly closed and locked the hemostat. Pulled the tube out of the hole and away from the car. The picture of the tube in the jaws of the hemostat is the exact grip that I got when I closed down on the tube. It's still locked in that position. It will take a while before I let go of it.

    Then I savored the moment the way one might savor the first spoonful of vanilla ice cream on a hot 4th of July day, in 2011.

    The tube turned out to be exactly 4 inches long. The piston was very far down in the cylinder. The tube hit the side of the cylinder and dropped down until it was caught in the spark plug hole. Had it been 3/8 inch shorter it would have fallen all the way in. The tubing is pretty stiff and very light so there was not much force that would cause it to flex or bend and fall. From that I would say my worst fears were not real. For instance, I don't think slamming the door would have been enough to shake it loose. But how can one know without seeing it fall or taking it out to measure the situation. I'm glad I was able to make my discovery by the latter means.

    Once again, thanks to all who helped me in this. I'll try and return the favor some day.

    I promised all who took part in the thread a special prize of my own invention. To get yours just send me a private message with your real name and mailing address. There may be a number to make and I shun the pressures of time when at all possible, so it may take me a while, but I promise, all will receive their prize.
    John Gunn
    Coronado, CA

    Improving anything
    Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Zanzer View Post
      YES!!! :thumbup:

      See, it wasn't as bad as you thought now was it?
      Nope. But I was really afraid. I expect this experience will make me less fearful in future. Already I have learned that fear is real suffering before any real damage is done? Knowing that, couldn't I just save up that suffering for a time when it is really justified? There seems to be something there, but I'm not sure I have a complete grasp of it.
      John Gunn
      Coronado, CA

      Improving anything
      Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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      • #63
        Originally posted by b8kedbeans View Post
        just to be on the safe side...it looks to me like you still have a spark plug washer stuck in the hole. Maybe grab a magnet and see if you can pull it out of there?
        It's not a washer. But there is a small pool of clear Seafoam that makes it look that way. You've go sharp eyes.
        John Gunn
        Coronado, CA

        Improving anything
        Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Safety Guy View Post
          Sure does look like a spark plug washer! But are those steel or aluminum?

          Better not let it fall into the hole, John! :p

          Karl
          I'm not afraid of that. It's like, "Why is a manhole cover round?" Because any round cover larger than the hole it covers cannot physically pass through that hole. At least that's what I've been told. Thanks for you help, Safety. Now and in the past.
          John Gunn
          Coronado, CA

          Improving anything
          Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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          • #65
            easy money with these
            -93' Festiva L (B6T swap in progress)
            -92' XR2 Capri (Parts car)

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            • #66
              Whew! Mr. JohnGunn your approach was so analytical, I'm curious as to what your profession/vocation might be. You are apparently the antithesis of the "Bull in a china shop."
              Can I add ... super glue on a small stick?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by festivBS View Post
                easy money with these
                anomoly40's and Zanzer's recommendations of these convinced me that I need to add one of them to my tool collection.

                The one at Home Depot for a little less than $10, in retrospect is becoming more and more appealing. It is well made and has a single LED embeded inside the cable just behind the claws. Though there is a slight widening at the tip for that purpose, it should still easily pass through the spark plug hole. I've never had to consider fishing something out of a cylinder, but if I ever did I'd want to check to see if this lighted grabber were flexible enough to get the job done. If you brought the piston up you could probably push things around to the point that you were actually seeing what you were trying to grab.

                Thanks to China, tools have become extremely cheap. But the perfect tool, at whatever price, is priceless.
                John Gunn
                Coronado, CA

                Improving anything
                Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by JohnGunn View Post
                  anomoly40's and Zanzer's recommendations of these convinced me that I need to add one of them to my tool collection.

                  The one at Home Depot for a little less than $10, in retrospect is becoming more and more appealing. It is well made and has a single LED embeded inside the cable just behind the claws.
                  Dang! I gotta get out from under my rock and get one of these new fancy ones! I'm still using the old school one that requires the grabber in one hand and a flashlight in the other


                  +1 on running the cylinder up to TDC, it makes it a lot easier to fish things out.
                  If a hammer doesn't fix it you have an electrical problem




                  WWZD
                  Zulu Ministries

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by JohnGunn View Post
                    I promised all who took part in the thread a special prize of my own invention. To get yours just send me a private message with your real name and mailing address. There may be a number to make and I shun the pressures of time when at all possible, so it may take me a while, but I promise, all will receive their prize.
                    I'm betting either:

                    1. A 4" piece of shrink wrap with a trimmed bread tie (hemostat not included).

                    or.....

                    2. A JG Limited Edition Seafoam into cylinder applicator 2.0

                    :geek::p
                    1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                    1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                    1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                    1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                    2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                    2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                    2005 Accord - wife's DD
                    2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                    2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by CharlieZ View Post
                      Whew! Mr. JohnGunn your approach was so analytical, I'm curious as to what your profession/vocation might be. You are apparently the antithesis of the "Bull in a china shop."
                      Can I add ... super glue on a small stick?
                      I think you're on to something, CharlieZ. For years I was a semi-professional opera and concert singer. (I'll let you guess what that means.)

                      Then, when time came to make enough money to actually buy things, I became a systems programmer specializing in the Unix operating system (precursor to Linux).

                      Now, I'm back to singing again. Specializing this time in German Art Songs. No room for bulls in that shop either.

                      Glad you mentioned Super Glue, because that did occur to me. I think I passed on it because I was systematically wary of any technique that required putting any force that would push the tube farther into the cylinder. That is how I arrived at my belief that the first and only contact with the tube should be the moment when the tool of choice closes down to securely control its movement.

                      Knowing what I know now, the position of the tube was not as super-critical as it might well have been, but I didn't want to discover it was super-critical by seeing it fall into the cylinder.

                      Since you seem to be one of the few who understands what I'm about, I'll tell you something the others don't know. Of course, at moments like the one which occasioned this thread, I want to know what I should do, but I would never just accept what anyone tells me. I try to listen to each suggestion with an open mind and then subject their suggestion to my own analysis.

                      My decision process is based on lots of different things. First and foremost, would be my own experience. Statements made by anyone, no matter how respected and admired, are judged against my own experience and, if found inconsistent with that, are rejected. Without an anchor a man is like a small boat in a large ocean, driven this way and that, completely at the mercy of external forces over which he has no control.

                      Most people have no anchor and are mindlessly driven this way and that by what others tell them. Instead of analyzing what they are told and comparing it to their own experience, they spend their time discussing which authority they should trust to tell them what to do. Our whole educational system is based on this paradigm.

                      Without the anchor of one's own personal experience, these words and recommendations are no different from winds and currents that drive small boats inevitably to their ultimate destruction.

                      Lots of people make the mistake of selecting an anchor which is outside their own experience. Though I tried for a long time, I'm not a religious person. But from that experience I know there are people who think they have a secure anchor in what their religious leaders tell them. I might have said the Bible, but from my experience (There's that word again.) I have found the Bible so diffuse that it, in itself, cannot serve anyone as an anchor. But what matter that? There are plenty of people who will use carefully selected phrases to construct a consistent story which they present as the one and only truth, the anchor of all anchors. Well you get where I'm coming from.

                      The point I'm trying to make is that to anchor your life to anything outside of your own person, is to have no anchor at all.

                      One last idea that just occurred to me as I write. From that analogy would you then not recommend that the small boat on the ocean choose to anchor itself to some secure attachment available inside the boat itself? My answer would be no. The boat is no person and as such does not have the capability of becoming its own anchor. True the boat has experiences just a people do but the boat has no memory of them and cannot reason out courses of action based on those remembered experiences. A different analogy is more appropriate for understanding this aspect of the boat analogy.

                      My experience is not a passing thing. It began when I was born and will continue till I die. True, I can't recall very much of my past, but I don't exclude the possibility that I am formed and anchored by experiences which I can no long consciously recall. I would rather think of my experience as the roots of a tree. Most of them are out of sight, but who could deny that they serve well to anchor the tree to the ground it stands on?

                      I know, much too long. But since you asked I thought I would take advantage of the question to explain my process which appears completely inscrutable to so many on this forum. For me it is not just give me the answer, thank you very much. It is first and foremost about a process of discovery.
                      John Gunn
                      Coronado, CA

                      Improving anything
                      Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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                      • #71
                        Make no mistake John, I enjoy reading your posts, and while quite verbose myself, I don't think I hold a candle to you.

                        I too ask many questions from many sources, then analyze the answers, somewhat going with the concensus although interjecting my own thought process from understanding the situation and the many possible solutions. this has served me well in the past.

                        I believe most (if not all) wisdom comes through experience of initial failure, then ultimately success, although sometimes there is no success. As in, "I can't tell you how to fix it, but I can tell you a few ways NOT to fix it." If you make a mistake, then blindly go with your first though of solution and succeed, many times you don't learn anything.

                        I sort of have a motto that I won't make mistakes people have already made, my goal is to make brand new mistakes NO one has made yet.

                        I'm 44 and usually if I haven't experienced it, I won't make a comment on something.
                        1963 Fairlane - future NSS drag car
                        1965 Mustang Coupe - A-code car, restoring for/with my son
                        1973 F100 longbed - only 22k original miles, 360/auto, disk, PS/PB dealer in dash A/C
                        1996 Sonoma X-cab - son's DD
                        2002 Grand Prix - daughter's DD
                        2003 Sport Trac - 180k, 130k on replaced motor with new timing chains - F/S soon.
                        2005 Accord - wife's DD
                        2008 Mountaineer - step daughter's DD
                        2015 F150 SCrew - DD

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                        • #72
                          ^^ X2

                          I tell people that if you do it wrong once but you learn from it, then it's a lesson....if you do it twice it then becomes a mistake :mrgreen:
                          If a hammer doesn't fix it you have an electrical problem




                          WWZD
                          Zulu Ministries

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Larry Hampton View Post
                            Make no mistake John, I enjoy reading your posts, and while quite verbose myself, I don't think I hold a candle to you.

                            I too ask many questions from many sources, then analyze the answers, somewhat going with the concensus although interjecting my own thought process from understanding the situation and the many possible solutions. this has served me well in the past.

                            I believe most (if not all) wisdom comes through experience of initial failure, then ultimately success, although sometimes there is no success. As in, "I can't tell you how to fix it, but I can tell you a few ways NOT to fix it." If you make a mistake, then blindly go with your first though of solution and succeed, many times you don't learn anything.

                            I sort of have a motto that I won't make mistakes people have already made, my goal is to make brand new mistakes NO one has made yet.

                            I'm 44 and usually if I haven't experienced it, I won't make a comment on something.
                            Thanks, Larry. I find what you say both helpful and hopeful.
                            John Gunn
                            Coronado, CA

                            Improving anything
                            Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Zanzer View Post
                              ^^ X2

                              I tell people that if you do it wrong once but you learn from it, then it's a lesson....if you do it twice it then becomes a mistake :mrgreen:
                              ^^X3
                              John Gunn
                              Coronado, CA

                              Improving anything
                              Improves everything. Copyright 2011 John Gunn

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by JohnGunn View Post
                                ^^X3
                                John, I do believe that is the shortest post you've ever submitted LOL



                                Just messing with ya
                                If a hammer doesn't fix it you have an electrical problem




                                WWZD
                                Zulu Ministries

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