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[Spike]

Alright - I tried it!

Finally got my CEL to go off, bumping me from 26MPG to 33.5 average (over about 1600 miles). I have a single pure gas station near me, and it happens to be right near my work.

I put in 5 gallons and got 182.5 miles before chugging (calculated including tire size). 36.5MPG! Out of an Auto!

9.2% increase in efficiency, for only 5% more per gallon. Engine's noticeably quieter, too.

I'ma believer!

[Christ]

Alright - I tried it!

Finally got my CEL to go off, bumping me from 26MPG to 33.5 average (over about 1600 miles). I have a single pure gas station near me, and it happens to be right near my work.

I put in 5 gallons and got 182.5 miles before chugging (calculated including tire size). 36.5MPG! Out of an Auto!

9.2% increase in efficiency, for only 5% more per gallon. Engine's noticeably quieter, too.

I'ma believer!

1. You cannot calculate fuel economy using a single fill. It takes at least a 3 tank average to quantify results.

2. The CEL going off may or may not have had something to do with the increase in FE. It also may or may not have been "because of the ethanol", so rule it out because it's not repeatable (unless you fill with E10 and it comes back on, etc)

3. 36.5 is not bad, but you can get better from an Auto. I was getting ~40 on E10 in my auto.

[Spike]

1. You cannot calculate fuel economy using a single fill. It takes at least a 3 tank average to quantify results.

2. The CEL going off may or may not have had something to do with the increase in FE. It also may or may not have been "because of the ethanol", so rule it out because it's not repeatable (unless you fill with E10 and it comes back on, etc)

3. 36.5 is not bad, but you can get better from an Auto. I was getting ~40 on E10 in my auto.

Well, I have pure gas in again, we shall see.

The CEL went off 1600 miles BEFORE trying pure gas. I replaced the VAF (after a year of 26 stupid MPG, even though it read o2 sensor code.. which I also replaced.. a year ago ), and the CEL went off and my mileage instantly went up. The 5 gallons of pure gas (just like 3 days ago..) was my first attempt. Ever.

So we shall see. After getting 26 for so darn long, anything over 30 made me wet my pants. Seeing 36+... I might need to start wearing adult diapers.

[TorqueEffect]

No pure gas within' an 2 hour drive of me according to their map. Oh well...

[Christ]

Well, I have pure gas in again, we shall see.

The CEL went off 1600 miles BEFORE trying pure gas. I replaced the VAF (after a year of 26 stupid MPG, even though it read o2 sensor code.. which I also replaced.. a year ago ), and the CEL went off and my mileage instantly went up. The 5 gallons of pure gas (just like 3 days ago..) was my first attempt. Ever.

So we shall see. After getting 26 for so darn long, anything over 30 made me wet my pants. Seeing 36+... I might need to start wearing adult diapers.

I misunderstood then. I read it as though the CEL wnt off while using regular gas and you were including that in part of the "benefit" analysis.

So you'd discount it from the study entirely.

Get 2-3 more fills under the belt and see what your average is across them with pure gas. You'll find that it went up, but 10+ MPG is probably not going to stand as the norm.

[Spike]

Eh, I still must not be clear. I am averaging 34ish now that I fixed my problem.. so now I'm trying pure gas, and I would be happy with +2MPG gain, as it would pay for the extra 20 cents per gallon.

That is all.

So new factors would be average of 34, try pure gas, see what happens.

Is that any better? :p

EDIT: Re-reading this, I notice it sounds sarcastic.. that is not intentional, so please don't think it is meant to be sarcastic.

[schreurs1]

Ive run everything from e30 to regular unleaded and ive never continuously gotten more mpgs from regular unleaded than e30. Driving style, temperature, and hell even wind direction will affect mpgs more than switching fuels in my case. Granted not every car is the same, each has a different reaction to everything. My festiva is corn-fed and it always will be, along with every other vehicle i own.

[GenevaDirt]

Eh, I still must not be clear. I am averaging 34ish now that I fixed my problem.. so now I'm trying pure gas, and I would be happy with +2MPG gain, as it would pay for the extra 20 cents per gallon.

That is all.

So new factors would be average of 34, try pure gas, see what happens.

Is that any better? :p

EDIT: Re-reading this, I notice it sounds sarcastic.. that is not intentional, so please don't think it is meant to be sarcastic.

Ive run everything from e30 to regular unleaded and ive never continuously gotten more mpgs from regular unleaded than e30. Driving style, temperature, and hell even wind direction will affect mpgs more than switching fuels in my case. Granted not every car is the same, each has a different reaction to everything. My festiva is corn-fed and it always will be, along with every other vehicle i own.

that for me is a deal breaker to even try it.....here it is 40+ cents higher then the ethanol gas they sell around here. I know there is no way I am going to get enough of an increase in mpg to offset that.

[Pu241]

My festiva is corn-fed and it always will be, along with every other vehicle i own.

Make sure you have an extra fuel pump!

I definitely see a difference, but as GD say's not $0.40/gal difference worth.
I do get enough of an MPG increase to make using 89 octane worth the extra cost.

[Christ]

Everywhere near me that sells pure gas appears to sell it at regular prices, so there's no price difference to make up for me. The problem is the fuel I'd burn to get it.

I'm gonna start carrying a barrel in the car when I visit friends LOL.

[schreurs1]

never once had a fuel pump problem, nor have any of my customers who have run e30 for the 5 years that we have offered it. a majority of them get little to no difference in mpgs, and those that do see very little (1-3 at most). I guess were grown a little bit different here in the midwest. we support our local corn growers a gallon at a time. e15 and e30 are the 2 top sellers at our gas station. regular unleaded is probably one of the least, if not the least selling product. 90% of the high performance applications up here are on e85 or e98 and every dyno and tuner is well versed in ethanol power and can make more power than gas. Ethanol power all the way for this guy!

[Ford Fester]

All of the festivas i have owned have been ethanol fed and i have never had any issues. I ran e85 for 5-10k miles on my aspire. Granted i had no power but mileage wasnt horrible at 28-32. I have put 50k+ miles on festivas on ethanol and best mileage was 42.5 and worst was 27. Ethanol fed in south dakota for sure. We love the e85 power.

[litesong]

that for me is a deal breaker to even try it.....here it is 40+ cents higher then the ethanol gas they sell around here. I know there is no way I am going to get enough of an increase in mpg to offset that.

There's a 100% pure(ethanol-free) station in Chardon(about 13-15miles from you?) that has 100% pure gas at around the price of diesel. They do provide a nice service of delivery to your place of residence with a purchase of 100 gallons. 55 gallon drums are extra, but I understand, at a fairly good price.

Keep looking. You may find 100% gasoline at near-by airports & marinas. Stations selling 100% pure gasoline have increased by ~10% over the last year or so. Again, look at the really cool map at pure-gas.org.

My experience with 100% pure gas...... our 3 cars get 7.8%, 7% & 5% better mpg, & all engines are smoother, quieter, & have a bit more low end torque, such that less downshifting is needed to ascend hills. I have many years of accurate records with 10% ethanol blends, while I have a full year of accurate records with 100% pure gasoline. The extra mpg gives wonderful extra range to our cars, & is like making your gas tank bigger, without installing a new gas tank or carrying more fuel.

A gasoline engine was specifically designed to run on 100% pure gasoline & get its best efficiency with such. Ethanol has 3% less btus per gallon than 100% pure gasoline. In addition, ethanol gets its best efficiency with ethanol engines with much higher compression ratios. There are other differences between gasoline & ethanol engines.

[litesong]

As pure-gas.org states, now 5800+ stations sell 100% pure gasoline in the U.S. & Canada. Find one in your area.

There are now almost 5900 stations selling 100% pure(ethanol-free) gasoline, which is about 20% MORE than a year or two ago! However, many large cities have no access to 100% pure gasoline, & many states(mine included) have decreased available stations.
Only 1 station in 29 stations sell 100% pure gasoline, but that beats 1 station in every 35!

[litesong]

All of the festivas i have owned have been ethanol fed and i have never had any issues. .... mileage wasnt horrible at 28-32. I have put 50k+ miles on festivas on ethanol and best mileage was 42.5 and worst was 27. Ethanol fed in south dakota for sure. We love the e85 power.

Ran my 4sp. Ford Festiva for 88,000 miles on 10% ethanol blend. Best mpg was 53mpg, with low of 36mpg. One tank got 50+mpg while running up & down a total of 11,000 feet of mountain passes & altitude changes. The 88,000 mile average was 42.5mpg.

However, with the switch to 100% pure(ethanol-free) gasoline for the last 16,000 miles, my average mpg has gone up to 45.9mpg, with a hi of 57mpg & low of 37mpg. However, all other tanks have been no lower than 42.6mpg.

Whereas, only 35 stations sell 100% pure gasoline in S. Dakota, the bordering state of Wisconsin has increased its stations selling 100% pure gasoline from less than 550 to 581 in less than a year. Wisconsin 100% pure gasoline stations account for almost 10% of all stations in the U.S. & Canada selling 100% pure gasoline.